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                    <text>Interview with a Chinese College Student About Her Experience with Apps
Archive of Personal Digital History
Interview #10 - Post-1980 Birthdate
September 2018
Introduction
The interviewee has been given the pseudonym initials of Destiny Ray*. She is originally
from China and attends Oxford College of Emory University in the US. She is currently 18
years old and talks about his/her experience with digital technology.
Pam Collins* is an Indian student at Oxford College of Emory University and is conducting
this interview to learn more about the role of digital technology in our lives. The digital device
used for this interview is an iPhone 6s.
[*For confidentiality, pseudonyms have been used for both the interviewer and the
interviewee.]
Interview Transcript
PC- Hello!
DR- Hello!
PC- Through this interview, I would like you to take me on a guided tour of a digital device
that you find very significant. So, this could be your cell phone, maybe your laptop or any
other device that is really important to you. And if the device enables it, I would like you to
review records of your activities during the past month. This could be calendar entries, text
messages, phone calls really anything and I want you to talk to me about the people you
interacted with, the places you've been, or the way you use social media and communication
in technology.
DR- Sure
PC- Great! So, I just want to make it a point that you can decide what to comment on, what
to ignore and you can decide when to share an example by showing it on your device. You
should, preferably, only share examples that you are comfortable doing so and refrain from
sharing any information about anything illegal or anything that could compromise the privacy
of another person. So, try not to use names When referring to other people you could just,
sort of, name them by their role rather than their name. For example- “my mother”, “my
family”, “my co-worker” etc. So, before we begin, do you have any questions?
DR- No
PC- No? Okay! Um, tell me about your device and why you chose it.
DR- Ah, I used my mobile phone because I bring it with me all the time. I need it to connect
with my family and my friends and I also I like to Snapchat my friend to see whenever they're
free, so we can go lunch and dinner together.

�PC- Okay, that's great! So, you just mentioned like a bunch of activities that you like to do
with your phone So could you just do me a favor and look to your device and see what
records you have of the activities you are involved in just for this past month. This could be
activities in the calendar app or in the to-do list invitation, events…. anything.
DR- Ok, when I see through my photos it has the locations on it. Okay, and I saw I went to
the Fall Retreat which is at the Athens Park in Georgia last week and last weekend we went
to Conyers and had dinner and I also saw that we also went to the museum.
PC- Okay! So of these activities, which one is the most significant to you?
DR- Do you mean like apps?
PC- Yes, like the main activities that you do on your apps.
DR- I use WeChat most when I want to either chat or do video calls with my family and I will
see Snapchat to connect with my friends here. And I also use Instagram to see what others
posted and I also use my music app to listen to some music while I'm free or doing
homework, you know? So, I like calendars to see my schedule, which places I'm going and
that's basically it.
PC- Great, so you use, like, a lot of apps! Do you notice any pattern activities the role of your
device?
DR- Because WeChat is a Chinese app so I connect with my most of my Chinese friends
with it, and Snapchat I use it in my daily life for my friends here and also I see Instagram for
my other friends which I do not really connect with so often.
PC- Hmm, so you were talking to me about how you use WeChat if it's for your Chinese
friends and Snapchat for US friends. Is that how you decide which mode of communication
to choose over the other like based on friends or is there something that you would like to
elaborate on that?
DR- For example for my family and my friends in China, we talk with each other and we are
in different time zones so probably use WeChat most often in the morning and at night. I
Snapchat during the middle of the day because I can text my friends here.
PC- So, are there any important interactions with people that are not reflected in the
information in your device?
DR- Mainly like the blogs. Just sometimes the blogs that I see the post of. But I don't know
them, I just follow them.
PC- Yeah, that's good! You were talking previously about you know the Photos app and the
location services. So, could you just do me a favor and look to your device and see records
of places that you went the past month. I don't know, but this could be maybe your Apple
Maps, Photos app or any location app that you have on your phone.
DR- I can see on Instagram when I post photos. I add the location and I can see when I visit
the Emory college in Atlanta when I go for the World of Coca-Cola and I also can see the
location when I went to the Fall Retreat.

�PC- Okay! So you allow all these apps to, sort of, track your movement? Do you permit
location services?
DR- My permit for most of my apps.
PC- And how did you make your choice?
DR- For apps like video games on my phone, I normally do not permit those permission
because I don't think it is necessary. But on social media, I have a chance to post my
photos, I will permit and also for like Uber map and things that I have to, you know, share my
location.
PC- Okay! Those are like instances when you would use location services but how did you
first learn to navigate your location?
DR- I think I did it when I was using a map to see where I'm going. Back in the country, my
parents think it is not safe to share your privacy or your phone information. Seldom I allowed
these permissions but after the apps became so popular and so useful, I just get used to
giving permissions to all these apps.
PC- Hmm, for this section I'm interested in your social media posts, text photos, music
videos, TV shows etc. It could also be anything you have created or distributed. These could
be social media, entertainment media or news media/ so based on what you so see on your
device, what programs do you use most often?
DR- I like to sometimes play video games and also some YouTube where I used to watch
some videos. And also use Amazon sometimes to see what I have to buy.
PC- Okay, do you prefer one app or program?
DR- Ya, of course. While using social media or chatting app I prefer WeChat over Snapchat
because it has record of your conversation. Messenger is not popular used among my
friends.
PC- Great! Could you talk me a little bit about some of the ways or your strategy for storing
your media?
DR- Storing your media?
PC- Ya, maybe pictures? Maybe apps?
DR- Hmm. I just put a lot of pictures and post a lot of my moments on WeChat, Instagram,
and also I post on blogs, I store music in my music apps. I also store those..like mails on my
mailbox. That’s how I check my email.
PC- Wow great! Thank you! In this final section, I’d like you to reflect on your history with the
device you have shared with me, focusing on, maybe, how you learned to use it in the way
that you currently do.
DR- Sure
PC- So, how did you start to use digital technology? How is your relationship with it so far?
Has anything changed over time?

�DR- Uh, I think I start to use digital media, um, digital technology at a young age. Like when I
was really young, like kindergarten or preschool, I watched TV with my family and I
sometimes saw my parents using computers but at that time I don't really know like what are
the functions of the computer is.
PC- Hmm, of course
DR- And when I go the primary school. Uh, elementary school, I started to use my computer
but like, this is the very old laptop, like PC?
PC- Okay
DR- And, ya, it works really slow. And I only know how to play games on it, like those simple
games. And I seldom used it as a search engine or, like, a social media account because at
that time I had my own social media account, but I seldom used it. I hardly use it. And when I
was in middle school, I started to use my mobile phone more often. I started to see those
blogs and stay online with my friends through social media. I talk to them all the time. And in
high school, I became the like the most important part of my daily life.
PC- Um, you just told me a lot of activities right? What do you describe to be the most
complex to learn?
DR- I think it should be the social media part because there are so many different
approaches to those apps like Instagram, Facebook you know? There are so many new
information on it and you got to choose from all these different blogs, like which one you
would like to follow.
PC- Ya, you use this in the personal context? Or maybe it's more professional or academic?
DR- I think it is more personal.
PC- personal? Ok, great! Can you tell me how did you, or rather when did you complete
learning these complex activities?
DR- I think in middle school.
PC- In middle school? Interesting. Are there any activities you wish you knew how to
complete with your device?
DR- Umm, I think I am presently satisfied with what I can do on my phone.
PC- Okay! How would you describe someone who is digitally literate?
DR- Literate?
PC- Yes, so you feel like you have digital skills required to operate the job effectively in a
personal context or academic context, right? So what do you think it means to be ‘digitally
literate’?
DR- He knows how to find the key to the question he wanted within a short amount of time.
And also how we can connect with our friends. Ya, I think that’s it.
PC- So, do you think you can do that?

�DR- Yes, I can
PC- So you consider yourself digitally literate?
DR- Yes!
PC- Okay, great! Is there anything else you would like me to know? Is there something I did
not ask and should have asked?
DR- I think that's it.
PC- Alright! Thank you so much for your time! Have a good day!

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Archive of Personal Digital History
Interview #1 - Post-1980 Birthdate
September 23, 2018

Introduction
This is the interview between Lizzy Fang and her interviewee. The interviewee is born
in 2000, in Chengdu, China, and currently studies in Oxford College of Emory University in
Georgia.
Lizzy Fang is also a student in Oxford College of Emory University. She is born in
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her technology use and to find the difference in digital technology usage between teenagers
from different provinces in China.
Transcript
Lizzy Fang: Hi, in this interview, I would like to ask you to take me on a “guided tour” of a
digital device that is particularly significant for you and that you use routinely. For example,
your mobile phone, laptop, desktop computer, gaming system, or some other device
important to you. If the device enables it, I would like you to review records of your activities
during the past month and talk to me about the people you interact with, the places you go,
and the ways you use media and communication technologies. You can decide what to
comment on and what to ignore, and you can decide when to share an example by showing it
to me on your device. You should only share examples when you feel comfortable doing so.
Also, please don’t share information about anything illegal or information that would
compromise the privacy of another person, and please don’t mention the names of other
people. When referring to other people, please name them like “a co-worker” or “a family
member.” etc. Before we begin, do you have any questions?
: No.
LF: Do you mind if I take a picture of your device?

�: No. Here it is.
LF: Oh, it is your cell phone. (Taking the picture). Okay, tell me why you choose this device
please?
: Because my cell phone is the digital device that I use the most. And I use it to
communicate with other people and probably navigate places. And PC is like too heavy for
me to bring to places, so I mainly choose to use my cell phone.
LF: I see and okay, to start, I would like you to see at your device and see the records of the
activities that you were involved with for the past month. So what apps or programs do you
use to plan, coordinate for your activities.
: So, I use guidebook, especially during the international student orientation and new
students’ program. I like it because it can show me when I should attend the meeting and
where I need to go. Also, it provides me the map of this college, so I can find the places I
need to go.
LF: Okay, so what patterns do you notice about these activities and the role your device play
in them?
: So, I usually just use this app when I was asked to do, because I do not navigate places
when I am by myself. When other people tell me “okay, this app is going to help you to find
places that you will have classes and meetings”, then I will go. In my free time, I will not use
it at all.
LF: Okay, hahaha, is there any information that are not reflected in your device?
: Oh, yes. I usually use to do list and a calendar on my PC. Because when other people just
send me an email and tell that something is due on Friday or something like that, I would just
add it on my calendar and my to-do list on my PC. Because that is a way I use to separate my
personal life and my academic life.

�LF: Umm-hmm. Okay, so now I am going to ask you to see your device and tell me the
records about the people that you are involved within the past month. For example, someone
contact you, you contact someone or your phone calls. Oh, please remember to use their
relationship names such as your parents instead of using their real names.
: The app I use the most is WeChat to communicate with my parents. I think all Chinese
students use this to communicate with each other. Also, I use messenger to communicate
with foreigners or domestic students here. I also use snapchat to share some of…probably
sadness and happiness, basically just what happened around me, to other people.
LF: Ok, so I see. So, the pattern of your communication is like…
: So, I usually just text other people when they text me. I basically just reply them or if I
have some questions I would just ask them. But for like Skype and WeChat and things like
video chat, I would use them with my parents when I have time, like once a week.
LF: I see. Ok. So, are there any other important people interaction not mentioned?
: (laughing) Probably no. I use my cell phone to communicate with people.
LF: Okay. So now I am going to ask you to look through your device and see the records of
the places you have been to last month. Something like navigating using google maps.
: I have an app called iMuseum. I used it like last month to see the museum special
displayed something and go there.
LF: In Atlanta?
: And I went to an oil painting displays. Oh, no, not in Georgia. It is a really famous show,
but I have forgotten its name…
LF: It is fine. This sounds cool. So, after this question I want to ask you about… you know
are location services on your phone. Do you enable it for most of the time?

�: I usually would just turn it off. Just when I use apps like Google maps which I need to use
my location, I would turn it on. But for other apps like while I share pictures, like snapchat, I
would just turn it off for securities.
LF: Ok, so all there any apps that you use to check in places like hotels or some other…
: Oh yes. I just use checkInn and Airbnb when traveling.
LF: (laughing) Airbnb…yes. So what patterns do you notice in the places that you visit?
: Ummm…I go to Walmart once a week. And sometimes during the weekend and when I
have free time, I would go to the restaurants nearby with my friends.
LF: Oh, I see. So, are there any information not mentioned?
: (laughing) No.
LF: (laughing) Ok, so in the last section, I am going to ask you about the media. So please
describe the media you use on your cell phone that you yourself has distributed and put most
of your time in, like…
: So, I use a lot of TV programs apps…like Netflix and Bilibili (LF laughing) which is very
famous in China. And I also use YouTube. For like social media I would use snapchat,
twitter, and Weibo, which is like the same thing as twitter that we use in China. And I also
use Facebook and Instagram.
LF: Umm-hmm. So, can you give me some examples of the media that are especially
significant for you?
: Ummm. I generally use YouTube to see a lot of different types of videos, like new
technology reviews. Like when Apple revealed the latest iPhone, I would search on YouTube
to see other people’s reviews. And I also search for fan videos. I have my idols and their
concerts are available on YouTube.

�LF: Okay, so can you give me some examples of the media that you produce or alter in some
way?
: Ah, yes. I actually edited my own videos, but they are not on my phones but on my
laptops. But when I finished editing I would just send it to my phone and see how it works
and how it looks like on my phone.
LF: Okay. Tell me about the strategies of storing your media.
: So basically, I would just store it in my cell phone. But when there is no storage in my cell
phone, I would just use my SD card.
LF: Umm-hmm. Do you have any strategies to protect your privacy?
: Yeah, I would just turn off my location service. And when I finish visiting a place, I would
just leave that place and upload the pictures later just in case anybody can find me there.
LF: Oh.
: Yeah, there is a kind of time lag here.
LF: Umm-hmm, get it. Are there any important media that are not reflected? Like reading
newspapers, listening to videos and watching the television?
: YES! I actually play video games. And I would edit videos by using Adobe…
LF: On PC?
: Yeah, on PC.
LF: Oh, I get it. And this is the final section… (both people laughing) that I want you to
reflect on the device and apps you have shared with me. Focusing on how you use them in
the way you currently do. So, the first question is how do you start using digital
technologies?

�: Yeah, I actually received my first phone…Not like a smartphone but like a small phone
like…
LF: Nokia?
: Yeah, Nokia! When I was seven, my mom bought me one. And I just used that kind of cell
phone and it was just too small. I could not play well-made videos. But now I can play like a
lot of well-designed with very good character designed video games. I download games on
my smartphone.
LF: It is like the technology?
: Yeah, it is like totally upgrading.
LF: And of all the technologies you mentioned, which one is the most complex to learn?
: Umm, of all of these, I think it is the most difficult for me to read, like read papers or
textbooks on my cell phone. I just find it very hard, very hard for me to concentrate. When I
read paper materials I can just use my markers to highlight and write down some of my
points, but on the phone, I just can’t do that.
LF: Umm Hmm. And can you tell me any activities that you want you know how to do on
your device, like your cell phone?
: I just wish I can learn how to read effectively. Or just reading faster.
LF: Ok, ok. Do you have any digital skills to use technology in a professional context? How
so?
: I actually can like edit videos on my cell phone, and I also know how to change pictures. I
don’t know how to describe that, but it is like…
LF: Making the photos look prettier?

�: Oh yes. Making people look prettier and probably change the color of the photos or the
backgrounds.
LF: Okay, so next question. How would you describe someone how is digitally literate?
: Umm… I think people who are described digital literate are those people who can
communicate with other people efficiently using information on technology. And they can
create their own communication information with other people. And they also have the skills
to do so, that they are not forced to do it.
LF: Yes, by themselves.
: Right.
LF: So, do you consider yourself digitally literate?
: I think kind of. Because it is easy for me to text or email people, but still hard for me to
read like long paper or reading materials on my cell phone.
LF: How do you learn to be digitally literate?
: Umm… Actually, I figure some parts by myself, especially for typing. When you spend
enough time practicing typing, you will know which key is where. But for like reading part.
My teachers have taught us how to read on the digital devices, but I still find it hard.
Probably when I practice that skill many times, probably I can do it...?
LF: Umm-hmm, I think so. So, are there any other thing you would like me to know, like we
haven’t mentioned before?
: (laughing) No.
LF: Okay, thank you!

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Interview	with	a	Transgender	Student	About	His	Digital	Experiences	
	
Archive	of	Personal	Digital	History	
	
Interview	#9	–	Post-1980	Birthdate	
	
September	21,	2018	
Introduction
The following is an oral interview with Aspen Nightingale1, a Caucasian, transgender man from
Louisiana. He is 18 years old, and currently a first-year student at Oxford College of Emory
University. The interview was conducted by a Caucasian female from Florida, also a first-year
at Emory’s Oxford campus.
This project is intended to be an exploration of the past and present digital experiences of a
research subject, by asking them to take the interviewer on a tour of a device of their choosing.
Interview

00:00
Hello, Aspen, how are you?
00:04
Good.
00:05
Excellent. So, right as I'm about to begin this interview, I would like to ask you to take me on
a guided tour of a digital device that is particularly significant for you, and something that
you use routinely, like your phone, your laptop, et cetera. So, if the device enables it, I
would like you to review records of your activities during the past month, like calendar
entries, text messages, phone calls, things of that nature. And, discuss with me the people
you interact with, the places you go, and the ways you use media and communication
technologies. So, before we begin, I would also like to issue a quick disclaimer that you may
decide what to comment on and what to ignore, depending on what makes you comfortable,
and you can decide if you want to share an example with me by showing it to me. You
should only share examples of what- of things that you feel comfortable sharing. And, also
please don't share information about anything illegal- if you have anything incriminating on
your device, I don't need to know about it, or information that would compromise the privacy
of somebody else in your life who was unable to give consent for this interview. So, it would

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be much pre- more preferable if you could refer to them as a coworker or a family member if
you're referring about actual people. So, before you begin, do we have any questions?
01:34
Nope, I'm good.
01:36
Do you mind if I take a picture of your device?
01:39
Yes, you can take a picture.
Interviewer fumbles to take a picture.
01:49
Thank you.
01:52
To start, I'd like to ask to look through your device, or, to have you look through your device,
to see what records you have of the activities you were involved with during the last month
or so. Places you could look for this would perhaps be a calendar app, a to do list,
invitations to events, all that sort of stuff. So, my first question to you is- what apps or
programs, if any, do you plan to- do you use, to plan, coordinate, or record your activities?
02:19
Ummm, so I have02:20
Oh wait, shoot, let's go back... let's backtrack a minute, I totally missed a question here. Tell
me about why you chose this device?
02:28
Ummm, I picked this- I picked my phone because I do everything on it, and before I had a
laptop, because I haven't had one for that long, it basically functioned as my computer, so if
you wanna know- and my- I don't do anything but schoolwork on my laptop, so it's not
gonna show up anything but schoolwork, so if you wanna know how I actually use
technology, it would have to be on my phone.
02:50
Great. Now, what apps or programs, if any, do you use to plan, coordinate, or record your
activities?

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02:57
Ummm, my main one is Google Calendar and the Apple Calendar, except I kinda use them
for separate things. Google Calendar is mainly for college, um, things, so if you look at it it's
gonna be just, all my classes laid out and all my teachers' work hours, all the things I have
to do related to college
03:20
Mhm
03:21
But if you go to my Apple Calendar, that's more like birthdays and anniversaries, or like,
things that are happening outside of like, professional stuff, so that just keeps it so I know
what's happening, and what's important, and what's mandatory. Ummm, I used to have a- a
little notetaker, umm thing that would let you do like bullet-point notes, but I ended up
deleting it because I would make a list and I'd never look at it again so it didn't matter if I
made a list because it didn't remind me anything. Now I just stick sticky notes all over my
room.
03:59
Whatever works, right? So, based on what you're looking at now, can you give me a little bit
of information on your main activities? What you spend your life doing.
04:12
Umm, I mean, based on my calendar, you would think the only thing I did was collegeschoolwork. I have classes Monday through Friday, and I work Monday, Tuesdays,
Thursdays, and Fridays, and that's all on my calendar, and that's about it, so based on this,
I do nothing but work.
04:35
Interviewer chuckles. But, sort of what patterns do you notice in these activities? Obviously,
you just said school and work seem to be the majority, but deviating a little from the
calendars that you use to sort of organize your school life and your professional life, I would
call it, what do you, what do you do for fun, and sort of how is that reflected on your phone?
05:04
Ummm, I mean, things that I do for fun wouldn't be found on my calendar, because usually
after I'm out of class, and about a couple- I mean, no, not a couple hours, about around
10:00 is when I'm done doing homework, and so that time spent either with my friends or
doing stuff like that, but that's never on the calendar unless I'm planning like a very specific
date with my friends for like, going to Pride, or going to a movie this day, so none of that
would be reflected on my calendar, but umm, just hanging out with my friends or like, this
weekend I'm going to Atlanta, none of that would be on my calendar.

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05:45
Okay. And, I believe by answering that, you sort of covered that other question of 'what
important activities are not reflected in the information on your device?', your social life,
from what I'm gathering. Great.

05:58
So, next I'm going to ask you to look through your device a little bit more, and see if you
have any sort of trail of the people you were involved with the last month, so, records of
people you contacted or who contacted you, phone records, texts, emails, social media
interactions, Skype and FaceTime calls, ummm, I'm going to remind you one more time to
use roles or relationship names rather than people's proper names for this step.

06:27
So, what apps or programs, if any, do you use to communicate in these ways?
06:32
Umm, so kinda depends on who I'm talking to, but my main communication is gonna
happen on Snapchat, that's where you're gonna find, well, I mean, you aren't gonna find
much 'cause it deletes everything, but that's where you're gonna see most of the record of
who I'm talking to. If you want an actual paper trail, it would be in my text messages,
because I hardly delete them, 'cause I don't use them that much. And then, I also use
Instagram a lot to keep up with group chats and friends, and so those are probably my main
ones, in the past month I might've used Facebook Messenger, but just not gonna be very
often, so there probably won't be much there... and then my emails, I use, ummm, daily, I
check my emails daily, and I end up sending emails daily, so those are really popular for
professional communications.
07:25
Cool. Ummm, so what sort of patterns do you notice in your communication and the role
your device plays in it? Ummm, so, for that sort of question, I'm sort of asking: do you see
anything noticeable that helps you decide which modes of communication you prefer to use
over another, or ummm, what really sticks out for you in terms of, ummm, sort of a trail, per
se?
08:02
Ummm, I mean, if you look at it, if someone's my age, I'm not gonna have, like, text
message from them, it's gonna be on Snapchat, so anyone that, so overall my age I'm
gonna use Snapchat for, unless it's something like, I need an immediate response on, then
you'll see, like, a text of, 'quick, like, I need your response right now', or I'll call them. But,

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unless it's something important, most of my communication's gonna be on Snapchat, unless
it's like, family, I talk to my family on text, or, like, old who's in there I'll text message or
email. And then, Instagram is not mostly conversations, it's just pictures or things we've
seen on Instagram, so there's not many conversations, but it's only kids, only people that
are my age, so I don't really talk to adults on Instagram either.
09:01
Mhm. Ummm, and then what important interactions with people are not reflected in
information on your device, is there anything that we've left out?
09:11
Ummm, I mean I would say you wouldn't be able to find, like, me and my friends hanging
out on it, but I mean, you wouldn't be able to find it with them on, but within 24 hours, you
would be able to see it if you saw it on my Snapchat, because I put things on my story a lot,
or, so most of my interactions are through my device, especially now that I'm away from
home, 'cause it used to be that, like any interaction with my family wouldn't be on my phone,
'cause I don't put that on my phone, but now that I'm not with them, any interaction with
them is gonna be through my calls or through my text messages. Yeah, I don't think that
there's anything really about communication that's not reflected here.
09:55
Great! So, now I'm going to ask you to look through your device once again, and see what
sort of records you have of the places you've been during the past month. So, records of
places on your calendar, Google Maps, location services if you happen to have it enabled,
and sort of things like that, ummm, so what apps or programs, if any, have these sorts of
records?
10:20
Ummm, well my location services stays off, so not many do, I think the only app that has
access to my location is Snapchat, and that's because to make filters work you have to,
ummm, but I mean if you go to my Snapchat a lot of times there'll- my- so- you have access
to Snap Maps now, where you can look at where everyone's at, mine is turned off so you
won't be able to see where- where anyone decides won't be able to see, but a lot of times
they'll tag the pictures you take with the thing, so if you go to my pictures you can see 'taken
at Oxford, GA', 'taken in Covington, GA', 'taken in Atlanta', or like, last night there was
pictures of me and my friends at Olive Garden, so that's a, ummm, that's a tag for where I'm
at geologically, ummm, there's not many things that are allowed to keep track of my
location, so other than Snapchat, nothing else will have records. I think sometimes photos in
Apple will tag your photos where they were taken, if you click on it maybe, I don't know,
sometimes they keep track of where you take it places, let's see. Umm, I have 290 photos
that- alright, never mind, I have 10 photos that were taken in Disney World, 280 in
Louisiana, 8 in New York, I took way more in New York, so that's not right, ummm, but you

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can get kind of a preview of where I've been, or where I've taken pictures, and that's about
it.

11:59
Cool. Ummm, let's see here, ummm, do you use any apps or programs to check into
places?
12:12
Ummm, I have a Chick-Fil-A app, and I check into that when I go to Chick-Fil-A, I get,
ummm, coupons, I have a MoviePass app which requires you to check in when you get
there, it, ummm, says, like, 'you're here', or whatever, and you have to click it to check in
and get your ticket. Uhhhh, I have a parking app that gets you parking spots in cities for
pretty cheap called SpotHere, so I have to check in when I'm in that place, and that's about
it.
12:45
Excellent. So, how did you first learn to navigate new locations, such as reading maps,
memorizing landmarks, I know that's a bit of a break from the technology side of things, but
if you could give me a quick answer on that, that would be great.
13:05
I mean, in, like, second grade, I think my school introduced how to read a map? I never
used that information in my life, but they taught 'ya how to read one. But I mean, by the time
I needed to navigate anywhere new, I had a cell phone that had smart capabilities so
usually I would just Google a route and l would just look along briefly, just to see what I had
to do beforehand, and then just follow it, til then with Siri's help.
13:33
And, is there anything that we have not discussed yet, places or navigational practices that
we've not really touched on yet?
13:41
Mmmm, I don't think so.
13:44
Great. So, in this last section, I'm going to ask you to look through your device to see what
records you have of the media you used during the last month, so this is going to be a pretty
big section, because it incorporates social media posts, texts, photos, music, videos, TV
shows, movies, games, all the entertainment that you would interact with on your phone.

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So, based on what you see on your device, what apps or programs do you use the most to
access or produce media?

14:13
Uhh, I mean, let's see, give me a second, where is the battery section, that'll tell you. Wait
'til it loads. Well, according to my battery, in the last seven days, Snapchat is used the most
amount of battery, then Tumblr, then Pandora, then Instagram, then Safari, YouTube, and
all these background things, like calling people or whatever. But, in the past seven days,
those are the majority of my battery and that's pretty accurate to my month.
14:53
Mhm. And, why do you prefer one app or program over another?

14:59
Umm, I use Snapchat the most because that's what I use to keep in track with my partner in
Louisiana, and all my friends back in Louisiana, um, so that's my connection back to my
friends in Louisiana, um, I use Tumblr probably next second, just because if I'm bored, it
has the most amount of data to scroll through endlessly- and it never ends. Ummm, hmmm,
Instagram and Pandora, I mean, Pandora was used because I've been working this week,
and so I- umm, a lot of my work in umm, my job, you do it alone, so you can play music and
stuff, because it's a lot of umm, individual work. And then, Instagram's probably the next
one, because after Tumblr, that's the best one to waste time on, ummm, my YouTube used
to be a lot higher, if you looked at it before I came to college, it probably would've been
second or first on the list, but now, if I have free time, I- I'm not gonna be able to look on
YouTube because one of my friends is probably in my room, and being a bother, so I don't
have time to get on YouTube anymore, or Netflix, would've been a lot higher, if you looked
at it before I came to college.
16:18
Interesting. So, do you have any media that's especially significant to you, or have we
already sort of touched on that with your love of Snapchat, and Tumblr, and16:29
I mean, YouTube and Tumblr were kinda the place that ummm, are kinda the biggest
platforms for the queer community, so, like outside of being able to talk to people like I
already knew YouTube and Tumblr were the place that gave me access to people I- I didn't
know already, and that had, ummm, either related to me over like, things we could talk
about, like shows we watched, you can find a lot of stuff like that on Tumblr and YouTube,

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or they shared some of the same identities, like being queer, ummm, so those two platforms
were very big in getting into the queer community for me.

17:10
That's a very special thing. Ummm, so, can you give me some examples of media that
you've produced and altered in some way? Do you make any films, do you do anything like
that?
17:24
Ummm, no, ummm, I'm usually not a creator, that much, I just like to use it, ummm, on
Instagram you can find pictures I've drawn, but I don't draw digital- digitally yet, even though
I'm thinking about getting into that, but you can find, like, drawings I've made, and posted,
or, ummm, that Instagram's probably where I post the most, even though I haven't posted in
awhile, so, it's the only place I'm really a creator on.

17:54
Cool. So, tell me your strategy for storing your media? How do you go about that?
18:03
Ummmm, well, every couple weeks I'll go through my photos and delete all the stuff that's
not pictures of, like, me and my friends, and then, like, screenshots of books or something
that I don't need anymore, so I'll clear that out like once a month, and that'll save up a lot of
space, uh, I don't keep music, really, on my phone, I only have like two albums downloaded
onto my phone, and I bought those awhile back, ummm, uhhh, most of my apps, I don't,
like, group my apps into things, like some people, so they kinda just stay where I put them,
ummmm, other than that, uh, I clear out my Safari very often, and my text messages, I'll go
through and clear out like once a week, just to keep everything organized. I delete irrelevant
emails immediately, and then I usually don't go back and clean out my emails, I'll save
everything that I think is important.
19:03
Cool. Ummm, and how about sharing media? How do you share your media with others, if
at all?
19:11
If I share media with someone it's gonna be on Instagram, usually, you can forward a post
to someone else through there, ummm, sometimes you can take screenshots of posts and
send them to my friends, though not very often, but every once in awhile I'll do that. That's
about it.

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19:28
And, how about protecting your privacy with media usage? Is there any specific way that
you do that?
19:34
Uhh, I mean, it depends on the platform, on Snapchat I only allow people that I know to
follow me, so my Snapchat is ummm, I'm not sure if it's private, but like, you can't follow me
without permission, so only people I know follow my Snapchat. On Instagram, my account's
private, and I let people I don't know follow it, but I also, like, I go through and make sure
what they are and who they are before they follow me on my Instagram, which is private,
because it has my actual name on it. Ummm, my Tumblr, I don't have any safety
precautions on it, because it doesn't have my name, or any pictures, or anything personal,
it's just whatever I've reblogged, I've never actually put any content on it. So, it just depends
on what I'm on. YouTube, that has my name, but I don't make videos, and I'm pretty sure
my account's private, so that keeps it, ummm, protected.
20:29
And, is there anything that has not been reflected thus far in this section?
20:37
Oh, I did forget, I have a, ummm, I have an app called DashLane that stores all of your
passwords and stuff behind a lock, like, behind a master code, so that stores all of my
passwords, and keeps them in one spot, behind a, umm, behind a lock, kind of, so that
keeps them safe.
20:58
Ummm, and apparently, that 'final section' was not the final section, so we have one more
to go. So, in this section, I would like you to reflect on your history with the device, and the
apps that you've shared with me, focusing how you learned to use them in the way that you
currently do. So, I'm just going to ask this first overarching question and see if we can cut
down on the amount of explaining we have to do for the rest of these, but- how did you start
using digital technology, and sort of how was your relationship changed?
21:35
Ummm, I mean, I think that at like, eight or nine, my grandparents got a really old desktop,
and brought it inside, erm, 'cause they have an accounting business, and so they got one of
the old ones that they couldn't use it anymore, gave it to us kids, but it didn't have access to
the internet or anything, it just had like two games on it, ummm, pool and solitaire, probably,
I think those are the two games, so that was kinda my first time using anything that hadthat could've used internet, even though it didn't have internet....ummm, and then maybe,
twelve, was when I first got my first mobile phone, that's also about the time I opened a

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Facebook, which was like my first social media, and even though that went away pretty
quickly, I only used Facebook for like a year at the most, ummm, that was kinda my first
pinpoint with social media, ummm, and then I didn't really do much in between being twelve
and fourteen, but, um, when I was fourteen I opened an Instagram, a Tumblr, and some
other accounts, like a Netflix, a Hulu, YouTube, I opened basically all my, um, social medias
around the time I was fourteen, I didn't open a Snapchat until I was, like, sixteen, or
something, I didn't use that very often. And, so that was kinda where everything started,
ummm, I used to use them less, because, um, when I was younger, most of my friends
went to my school, and I saw them daily, so I didn't need to use my phone that often, I didn't
need a social media. By the time I started high school I had some online friends, I had some
friends that I saw at school, but I also started to have the freedom to go outside the school
with my friends, so having a social media was the way to plan those things, or having text
message was the way to plan outside events, so I've started using it more, the older I've
gotten.

23:37
Interesting. So, of the activities you've described, which were the most complex for you to
learn, if any at all?
23:52
I mean, none of the apps, the apps are set up to be very self-explanatory, 'cause they're
meant for you to use them, they weren't made to be complicated, um, I mean I guess,
getting used to using Google Calendar and some of the other organizational apps took
effort, not because the actual apps are, ummm, difficult, but because I needed to get into
the habit of them, but I think, I don't think any of the other ones showed any problems.
24:23
Okay. And, can you tell me about activities that you wished you knew how to complete with
your device? Is there anything with your device that you don't know how to do that you wish
you knew how to do?
24:41
Ummm, with the iPhones, not really, you don't really have much of a- they aren't- like
Samsungs are built like mini-computers, so you can do a lot of things on them, that, like, if
you know how to use it, you can like, hack- do all kinds of stuff sometimes, but Apples are
meant to be very user-friendly and very simple, there's nothing on my iPhone that I need to
do, or that I've ever needed to do that I can't do.
25:09
And, building on that question, do you feel you have the skills necessary digitally to operate
effectively in a professional context?

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25:19
Umm, yeah, I had to- in high school, I had to take an IBCE course, and learn how to type
correctly, learn how to use, um, Excel, Microsoft, all the Microsoft programs, basically I'm
certified in them, umm, I know how to manage my emails and how to basically do anything
you'd need to do for a job, unless I got a job programming, but I don't know anything about
programming, so I doubt that would happen.
25:55
Okay, and how would you describe somebody who is 'digitally literate'?
26:03
Umm, someone who is 'digitally literate', ummm, can both understand the apps they already
use, and be able to quickly catch on to a new app, or a new system, if it's set up within a
similar way.
26:21
And, would you consider yourself digitally literate, by that definition?
26:26
Yes.
26:29
And, how did you learn to be digitally literate, or ummm, yeah, please just elaborate on that
a little bit more.
26:40
Umm, I mean, it was mostly just trial and error, getting your first iPhone or getting your first
computer, and just going around and clicking everything, until you knew where everything
was at, and then after, I mean, after you have that first phone, or first computer or laptop,
most systems are set up in basically the same ways, like, every laptop is going to have a
settings button, and all settings buttons are gonna include basically the same design. Just
like, it may look different or be in a slightly different position, and like, the internet's always
gonna be kind of in the same spot, like, everything's gonna be set up in the same way, you
just have to find, like, the similarities, because most systems aren't that different.
27:22
And, is there, and finally, is there anything else that you would like me to know?
27:28
Um, no, I think we covered all the bases, basically,

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27:33
Well, in that case, thank you very much for the informative interview, Mr. Nightingale, it was
lovely to get to know you and your device.
27:41
Thank you.

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Interview #13 – Post-1980 Birthdate
September 24, 2018
Introduction
The following pages consist of an oral history interview between the interviewer, Megan Yang
(denoted MY), and her subject, Kyle Scar* (denoted KS). This interview was conducted on Monday,
September 24th, 2018 around 11:30am in study room 207 of the Oxford College Library.
Kyle Scar is an Asian American first-year student at Oxford College of Emory University. He was
originally born in Germany, but has most recently lived in Newport, Massachusetts. He first had regular
in-home access to a digital device of some sort at age 5, personally owned one at age 8, and is now able
to code in Swift (Xcode) – a programming language. For this interview, Kyle chose to talk about the
general family of Apple products (e.g. MacBook, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch).
Megan Yang is also an Asian American first-year student at Oxford College of Emory University.
She was born in California, moved to Connecticut, and then lived in Shanghai, China for twelve years. At
Emory, she hopes to study marketing and international business while double-majoring in psychology.
Her goal for this interview is to understand the technological habits of someone in the same generation as
herself in order to grasp a bigger picture understanding of “digital natives” and digital literacies.
_____________________________________________________________________________________
MY: Hi Kyle*, how are you doing on this fine Georgia foggy day?
KS: Good. How are you? It's foggy?
MY: Yeah, I thought I saw some clouds outside.
KS: Oh I thought it was pretty sunny
MY: In this interview I will ask you to take me on a guided tour of a digital device that is particularly
significant for you and that you use frequently, like your phone, laptop, gaming system, or other device. If
the device enables it, I would like to you review a record of your activities from the past month, such as
note entries, phone calls, texts, emails, websites, and social media interactions. And talk to me about the
people you interact with, the places you go, and the way you use media and communication technologies.
You can decide what to comment on, or you can decide when to share an example by showing me
something on the device. You should only sharae an example when you feel comfortable doing so. Also,
please don’t share anything illegal or any information that would compromise the privacy of another

�person and please don’t mention names of other people. When referring to other people, please use their
role rather than actual name. For example, coworker/family member/friend.
KS: So you want the tea, got it chuckle
MY: Before we begin, do you have any questions? (KS: Shakes head no) Do you mind if I take a picture
of your devices? (KS: No)
KS: Oh, wait, was I supposed to bring all the stuff I was going to talk about? (MY: I think it's better to
just focus on one, just reference the others in your responses)
MY: Just use the phone (KS: Sure why not, so there’s more substance to this) I’m gonna include the
Apple logo [in my picture] (KS: Oh my gosh! That's so extra)
MY: Tell me about why you chose these devices.
KS: It’s only because I use them currently; I used to use PC and you know like flip phones but obviously
those old devices [are] not suitable for society nowadays So I switch to these guys they're more
interconnected with other people
MY: So why do you think the things in the past are incompatible with today’s society?
KS: Through our advancements in technology we have...our methods of communication are dependent on
basically a higher standard of digital technology...so like a couple years ago when I had my “flip phone”
it was like you have to click, you know, whatever number this many amount of times, type in a letter and
whatever, you couldn’t access the web or any of that, so now you have a smartphone that can do all of
that you can text easier with a keyboard you can access Facebook email basically all that people use
nowadays to communicate so like we were talking earlier about the Goldman Sachs person coming in and
I had no idea because I don't check Facebook if I had my older phone it barely be a possibility, because I
would need a laptop or desktop to open Facebook and check it. But now I can just do it on my phone
communication devices are almost required if you hadn't told me about that, then like, I would never
know
MY: I relate to this talk about the flip phone cuz I had a pink Motorola and it was like “uhhhh this is so
hard”
KS: It cost money to text, unlimited plans were not heard of...with a laptop the only reason I use a
MacBook is because the Apple company is like a freaking genius they basically pull you in and make you
unable to use any other devices; with my MacBook I can sync up to my phone, Apple Watch, iPad and all
your devices are connected. It's all about connecting
MY: That's an interesting angle I didn't think about that before. Okay so that was the introduction, now
we're going to move into the specific parts. I want you to talk to me about the activities you do on your
phone. Do you have any apps or programs that you use to plan, coordinate, or record your activities?

�KS: Yes, as of recently I use Microsoft Outlook, which is what Emory provides us. I use emails for
communications, calendar for, you know, calendar chuckle and yeah that's to keep track of my stuff. I also
use the text messaging app because I yell at my friends to remind me to do things and they either call or
text me so I guess that's also a way of keeping track of things; or I text myself which you could not have
done with a flip phone.
MY: So based on what you do on your device and what you see on your apps what are your main
activities and of those, which are most significant to you personally?
KS: Well...um, I'm going to actually check what activities I do chuckle chuckle I don’t go on Snapchat at
all, which is so weird. I think I probably use YouTube the most
MY: I didn’t actually start using YouTube until quite recently. Now I just watch a bunch of videos and
comment like everywhere. Before I didn't even use it at all, I felt that when I was in middle school
everybody else around me was really active on listening to music, watching TV shows, and I didn’t know
any of this stuff.
KS: Just kidding, it's Messenger and Messages which I think will be the same on my laptop unless you
count Google Chrome as an app. You text people, you do your homework with Microsoft Word or any
Word Processor and so for the phone with the interconnectedness them I use it for connecting with people
my social media apps are definitely on the top
MY: Yeah same
KS: For my laptop I would say like I would use it for mostly school and other personal endeavors
*hahaha* So I basically just use Google Chrome and essentially for school stuff, it’s either to write an
essay or search up pictures of cute dogs...I don't like dogs...bunnies
MY: Baby animals are so cute all the time
KS: Oh and Pokemon, you know how I sent those to the chat?
MY: Yeah. What patterns do you notice and what you do on your devices and the role your device plays
in them?
KS: So [on] my phone, I actually have an app that tracks exactly what I do for exactly how much time. I
spend a good portion of my time on the lock screen and home screen just staring at it, because I forgot
what I needed to do. So I just kind of...that's what I do generally. I open my phone, “ooh it’s turned on”,
“let me just unlock it”, but I have nothing to do and then I close it again.
MY: Can I check out the app you're talking about? I feel like I should get it too.
KS: I’ve been using it for awhile.

�MY: Do you create your own categories or does it create categories for you?
KS: It does like apps and stuff, I forgot how to do it, but basically this is over the course of August 21
(one day). So I picked up my phone 34 times, screen time is 3 hours and 32 minutes, so each time I
picked up here and picked up picked up…
MY: Exact times...woah technology!
KS: I know right? Interconnectedness. (MY: Oh my gosh, right!) and then um I have a coach which helps
you stop using your phone. Specifics somewhere, which tells you like you spent an hour on screen, two
minutes in a messaging app. (MY: What’s [the app] called?) Moment. (MY: I’m gonna download that
later, like for real)
KS: Wait are you international?
MY: Well I’m a domestic student, kind of ish. (KS: So you have an adapter) I lived in China for 12 years
(KS: I didn't know that)
MY: What important activities are not reflected in your digital devices?
KS: I guess honestly nothing. I think if you were able to take my devices you will be able to find literally
everything that I do, you know you can infer it from certain activities that you do. For example like if I
text someone to meet up at Lil's then you'll know for the next 30 minutes when I’m not on my phone I'll
be eating with friends. And then like... And then if there's just like a few hours at night when I'm not on
my phone I'm sleeping. It's like I think that device literally if you spend enough time you can figure out
exactly what I do ever since I got it.
MY: It’s all about intuition (KS: But also like technology)
MY: So this next section I'm going to ask you about the people you interact with through your devices. So
are there any apps or programs you use to communicate people?
KS: So my laptop and my phone are both synced up with my Apple Watch I have no battery, oh I love
that. (MY: What a first world problem!) Do you mind if I borrow your charger? (MY: That's completely
fine.) Interconnection. Exactly. We can all use each other's things because we have the same device but
Apple freaking changes the USB jack every single day and they just came out with three new iPhones XS,
XR, XS plus or something.
KS: Like everything is interconnected in my reminders, which I’m totally putting off (MY: Yeah I have
those too) It's so nice your life is basically streamlined like if I go to messages off right I'm texting
someone... “I’m in an interview demonstration please ignore”. On my computer it'll show the time on my
messages on my phone. And so like once I go off it disappears from my laptop. I just kind of use that app
so I just kind of have to duplicate apps on both of them to sync what's going on. please Outlook
messenger and whatever forms are online that I happen to be using canvas and any music apps share

�playlist use Spotify I use apple music. I’m just constantly sharing data with people. Especially because
in my messages app I can share my location with people (MY: GPS!) Tell me about it
MY: What patterns do you notice in your communications with others using your devices?
KS: One of the patterns I noticed is that I never communicate. You'll notice that you can see that I have a
lot of messages. I don't read the messages...I don't bother to check messages because it doesn't go into my
head. Like it's just like I don't understand the necessary need to be constantly texting. (MY: Yeah, yeah)
I'm going to do it like...I will only text so that I can see the person in-person.
MY: Yeah I don't want to text either I just like to read all my notifications, so you’ll see on my phone that
I have no red bubbles on my apps
KS: I hate the red bubble so much...it makes it feel like something's hanging over my head. I don't know
what these messages are you know…(MY: They could be junk messages for all we know) or my mom is
in the hospital, you never know. It kind of bothers me a lot but also…
MY: How do you decide which mode of communication to use over another? Do you use particular
modes of communication for certain situations or people?
KS: I prefer to use call, only because I'm a musician I guess and I'm like I used to be into music quite a lot
and I was born where there was a lot of music. I'm like halfway dependent on the same with my ears
(MY: So, audio input) like my audio input like the sounds gets stuck in a chronological loop of my head.
But I don’t understand really like language you know, like if you say “Hi, my name is Megan” it'll take
me awhile to understand that because I don't understand words...like the words don't make sense to me
but because of my musical background I'm more heavily dependent on tone, so it’s much harder for me to
communicate over text. I mean text isn’t that bad because I’m reading it and not hearing it, but if someone
were to give me a monotone voice, like not Siri but you know like a text-to-speech kind of thing and is
kind of just like reading to me, I have so much trouble understanding those types of things. I cannot
communicate with someone who speaks like that. (MY: Like reading these questions on a piece of
paper....) That's why in classrooms I have so much trouble understanding when teachers read questions
off of a paper, because your voice goes monotone and it's hard for me to understand. I prefer to talk over
phone, but if it's a super short thing I'll text. Otherwise I'll be like stop texting me because I don't want to
talk to you!
MY: What important actions with people are not reflected in your device?
KS: Well...sexual relations. Especially if it's like not an ongoing relationship, but stuff like a one-night
stand usually happens out of the blue. Any strangers I meet, like I never get like a missed connection kind
of deal. Those connections you don't follow up and I guess like...no my teachers are on my phone. (MY: I
don't know, I didn't think of it that way) It’s the people that are unimportant just never make it to the
phone, which I guess makes sense.
MY: Now that we're done talking about people let's talk about places. So now look through your device
and see what records you have of the places you have visited during the past month. You can have Google

�Maps, Location Services or like Foursquare. (MY: I don't use Foursquare) I have no idea what Foursquare
is.
MY: So what apps or programs if any, do you have of place recording?
KS: So I have messages which tells me that place is just because you know where we talk about plans
(MY: Exactly) I have my Snapchat, right, which has the filter and I save it. Instagram saves my location
whenever I post and I have Photos which saves your location as well. And I have I guess just whatever
app is using my location services right now.
MY: With these location tracking services, how did you decide which ones can use your location and
which ones don’t?
KS: Oh I think it's basically more of like a biased intuition...um…if in the past some unfortunate thing has
happened either to me or someone I’ve heard of, um, based on one app or whatever, I probably won’t let
them read my location. Generally I don't really care where people know where I am, I mean like I have
nothing to hide, you know. (MY: We’re all good kids here) Like I'm not going to cheat on anyone chuckle
MY: Do you use any apps or programs to navigate or discover locations, or check into places like maybe
you're trying to find something find a restaurant nearby?
KS: I just have Google Maps, Waze, my laptop, and Find My iPhone because I lose my phone all the
time. That's about it, oh, Outlook can tell me where I go. My messages also help me discover new places
because that’s where I plan things. Messages basically controls my entire life.
MY: Sounds like that; there's like 2000 red bubbles on top. So what patterns do you notice in the places
you visit?
KS: They're very introverted places, I guess, because I'm an introvert. They’re usually pretty introverted,
like the library, a nice restaurant, like some low-key amusement park or something where I don't have to
directly deal with a lot of people. You know it's fine...I mean it's not that okay, but it's kind of fine if are
people just around me and I don’t have to interact with a lot of them at once. But places like a club, that
would not be somewhere that would be reflected on my phone because there’s too many people, too many
noises. Concerts, clubs, you know… (MY: I go to concerts but no clubs)
MY: How did you first learn to navigate locations using these apps or traditionally using a physical map
or landmarks?
KS: Oh, so this is interesting! I did use a physical map at one point, and I did not have Google Maps on
my phone at one point. I remember the first time I got an Apple device, I could write anything with the
touch screen, anything with those capabilities. Because I was so young it was so much more intuitive than
I had imagined it to be. I guess not because I was young, but because I was exposed before because I was
kinda late in the whole device-getting thing; everyone had iPads and when I got one I was just like I know
how to use it! The first time using Maps I had no clue what the frick was going on, right? Like there is a

�bubble in the middle and I was like that must be me. It reminded me of when you go to the mall and you
see the ‘you are here’ sign and nobody tells you that the dot is you. It's kind of like...I'm going to assume
that's me because you walk around and the blue follows. I don't know I'm just kind of like....All apps have
like the same kind of layout. Menu, drop-down, search button, and all that stuff; so once I got used to one
app all my apps kind of kind of came with me. Google Maps was one of the later ones, so all I had to
figure out was ‘I’m that blue dot’.
MY: Alright so now we’re gonna talk about media. Like that’s so important. chuckle chuckle So what
records do you have of the media you used in the last month? We’re interested in social media posts,
texts, photos, music, videos, TV shows, movies, and games, that you have watched, listened to, played, or
that you yourself have created or distributed. These could be social media entertainment media, news
media, or any other kind of media or information. You might have records, browser history, Google
searches, Netflix, YouTube, social media.
KS: Okay let's go to my history.
MY: Okay, so based on what you see on your device, what apps or programs do you use most frequently
to access or produce social media? And then what types of media do you create?
KS: For the social apps, I use Messages, phone calling, FaceTime, Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, and
Facebook Messenger app as well as Outlook and Canvas. Those are my most used ones.
MY: Do you create media like music with GarageBand?
KS: I never got to the GarageBand phase...I usually just wrote the songs on a sheet of paper, on sheet
music. Yeah I guess I create media...you'll see my search history, I was looking at pictures of Pokemon
like Ninetales, Deoxys, and Milotic and it was more Sarah* because I have no idea what the names of
these Pokemon were. I took a picture of them with my phone on my laptop, you know. I created a little
meme chuckle chuckle Yeah like I produce media all the time because everytime I type something, every
time I take a picture of something, every time I meme-ify something.
MY: Yeah, memes are basically the backbone of culture these days. (KS: For real though) They’re
the way we transmit culture.
[interviewee took a bathroom break, transcript continued...]
MY: So we’re restarting the recording because Kyle* took a bathroom break. Ok, so for the media
questions, I was looking through and I don't think we need to ask all of them. Tell me about any strategies
you may have for protecting your privacy in regards to your media usage.
KS: I mean I just don't share what I don't want to share. Generally I have no privacy.
MY: I think there's a future in Snapchat called ‘my eyes only’ that you know you can like set a password
and put stuff there that I guess isn’t for public eyes. I forgot my password so I can't go back anymore. I'm

�so sad and I remember it was my last phone password, but I don't remember my last phone password
because I got a new phone.
KS: There’s a similar thing where it can lock access to one of your apps. If someone goes on one of your
apps in your phone and they’re trying to get into the Messages app. The settings allow you to require a
password before getting in. I did that for a couple of my apps. We need a password manager thing; those
things are so sketchy because once you know one password, it leads to all of your passwords, you know
what I mean? (MY: Like one key)
MY: What important media information are not reflected in your device? You might read newspapers,
magazines, listen to the radio, watch TV, go to the movies, play video games.
KS: I guess like going to the movies. But that's still something that I plan on my device so I guess I mean
that's still doesn’t count. I don't think anything is not reflected. (MY: We're basically controlled by
technology now, is that what you're saying?) chuckle chuckle
MY: Of the apps and programs you told me about, are any of them especially significant for you?
KS: I guess just Messages, yeah. (MY: Because you use it the most frequently, yeah)
MY: Now we're going to move on to the digital literacy questions, which is basically how you know how
to use technology and like how do you see yourself as proficient in doing technology-related things. How
did you start using digital technology, and how has your relationship with it changed over time?
KS: Okay, so I got a Mac and a phone after using PC devices and Android-based whatever (not really)
just the regular flip phone stuff. It was just like multiple, like learning points. One when I first got my
iPad, so I had to learn general iOS and that took a while, but then I got my iPhone right? And then
because there are differences between iPads and iPhones obviously, to have so many more features on the
phone. And then I also had to get used to everything since they’re all on the cloud server and then I got
my Mac, Apple Watch and they all start connecting everywhere and I was like, oh my gosh, do I need all
of these devices? They're busy doing the same thing and also interconnected. This past year, I learned
how to code in Swift programming; so now it's like not only are my devices what they are when they
were given to me, but now they’re like what I want them to be. You know if I want, I can change
whatever feature I want. I can just going into the code, like, and figure out what's going on. I used my
knowledge. Took a lot of time, but I figured it out (MY: Coding is scary). Now my devices are my child,
I can mold [them] into whatever I want.
MY: You used to consume technology, now you help create it.
MY: Of the activities you’ve described so far, which is the most complicated to learn and what makes
them so complex?

�KS: I think programming because it’s the heart of the device. Literally, if you learn programming,
that’s you learning everything there is to learn about the device. So in a way, you can’t get any
harder than that. (MY: Yeah, yeah).
MY: What contexts do you use coding for?
KS: Giving myself things I don’t deserve (MY: Yeah, totally wouldn’t want to do that)
MY: We have to write a transcript.
KS: You have to type all of this up? Shizz...I should’ve made my answers shorter, I’m sorry. (MY: That’s
okay, you still have a few more chances to give shorter answers)
MY: Can you tell me about any activities you wish you could complete with your device, and why?
KS: Like some capability my device already has, or if I could add something to my device? (MY: Like
whatever you think that question means)
KS: It would be great if the devices had movies in 4d, but not actual 4d because that would be insane, but
like movie 4d, you know, like senses; touch, feel, smell, taste. Like if I could lick my device if someone
sent me a lollipop, like that would be kinda great. (MY: Maybe in 20 years or something) but I also don’t
want to smell a fart. If someone sent me a fart, I’d be like what? (MY: So that’s more like we need
technology to advance even more)
MY: Do you feel you have the digital skills you need to operate effectively in a professional context?
KS: Oh yeah, definitely, because I worked at a, uh, startup company this past summer as a financial
manager. Like I didn’t use a Mac, but I definitely used what I learned from using Apple devices and
pushed it onto the other devices, yeah. (MY: Mhmm)
MY: Could you tell me how you’re gauging that, measuring that, kinda like how do you know?
KS: Just because I’ve done it.
MY: How about in an academic context?
KS: Yeah, because I’m surviving currently. (MY: We’re pulling through)
MY: How would you describe someone who is digitally literate?
KS: Someone who can use the device to find out how to use the device, I think, is digitally literate.
MY: Wow, that’s nice. I’m gonna talk about that in our class discussions because that’s super interesting.
Would you consider yourself digitally literate?

�KS: Oh, yeah.
MY: How did you learn to be digitally literate?
KS: Trial and error, and/or someone taught me.
MY: Is there anything else you would like me to know? Something that I didn’t ask that I should’ve
asked? (KS: I think you’re good).
MY: Yay!! Thank you so much. This definitely yielded a bunch of great insights!
*Disclaimer: Names changed for confidentiality reasons.

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                    <text>Interview	with	a	Chemistry	Major	About	Her	Experiences	with	Digital	Technologies	
Archive	of	Personal	Digital	History	
Interview	#14	–	Post-1980	Birthdate	
September	2018	
This	is	an	oral	interview	with	a	female	student	born	between	1996	and	2000.	The	interview	included	
questions	about	her	relationship	with	digital	technologies	and	the	way	digital	technology	has	affected	
the	way	she	was	raised.	As	a	chemistry	major,	she	is	often	found	scribbling	chemical	bonds	on	paper	
and	googling	explanations	online.	The	digital	device	she	chose	for	the	interview	is	a	MacBook	Air	13”	
2015.	For	the	purpose	of	confidentiality,	the	interviewee’s	name	has	been	replaced	with	the	letters	
“E.T.”		
The	interview	was	conducted	by	Michele	Chen,	a	current	first	year	Oxford	Student	interested	in	the	
relationship	between	digital	technology	and	the	way	people	are	raised.	She	is	a	first-generation	
student	whose	parents	immigrated	from	China	to	New	York.	She	is	interested	in	developing	a	better	
understanding	of	people	and	hopes	to	pursue	a	career	in	public	health.		
	
MC:	Can	I	take	a	picture	of	your	device?
	
ET:	No.	chuckles
	
MC:	Do	you	have	it	just	on	your	home	screen?	OoOOo	That's	pretty.	
	
ET:	I	just	changed	it.	I	had	a	monkey	before.
	
MC:	Oh,	that	would	have	so	much	more	personality.
	
ET:	No,	no	it	was	embarrassing.
	
00:38	
MC:	What	apps	or	program	do	you	use	to	plan,	coordinate,	or	record	your	activities?
	
ET.:	Google	Calendar
	
MC:	Google	Calendar?
	
ET:	Yeah
	
MC:	Okay.	Based	on	what	you	see	on	your	device,	what	are	your	main	activities?
	
ET:	Um,	like,	I	play	Sims	4	a	lot,	but	not	recently.
E.T.’s MacBook Pro 13” 2015 on
	
her home screen.
MC:	The	what	4?

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ET:	The	Sims	4	which	is	like	the	saddest	game	ever	cause	you	basically	just,	I	don't	even	know.		
	
MC:	So,	did	you	play	1,2,	and	3	or	did	you	just	play	4?
	
ET:	I	started	at	2	and	then	I	got	addicted	so	then	I	went	to	3,	but	like	each	time	the	graphics	get	like	
better	so	it's	like	I	waste	more	money.	chuckles
	
MC:	When	did	you	start	playing	Sims?
	
ET:	5th	grade?
	
MC:	5th	grade?	Okay.	Umm.	Okay	so	what	patterns	do	notice	in	your	activities	and	the	role	your	
device	plays	in	them.	
	
ET:	The	pattern	of	my	activities?	Okay,	so	the	patterns	of	my	activities.	So,	uhh,	mainly	homework	
nowadays.	I	use	Emory	Canvas	a	lot.	
	
MC:	Emory	Canvas?	Okay.	
	
ET:	uhh,	Opus.	
	
MC:	Opus.	Okay
	
ET:	uhh,	Pages	because	I	like	it	better	than	Word,	but	I'll	copy	and	paste	it	onto	Word	for	the	
grammar	because	grammar	is	better.	
	
MC:	Do	you	use	Pages	because	it's	what	Mac	has?
	
ET:	Yeah,	and	I'm	just	used	to	it.	
	
MC:	Okay
	
ET:	I	like	the	format	better,	but	a	lot	of	people	would	disagree.
	
MC:	Ohh	okay.	
	
ET:	Can	I	go	get	a	tissue?
	
MC:	Yeah,	are	you	sick?
	
ET:	I'm	not	like	sick,	I'm	just	congested.	I	think	I'm	okay,	it's	just	weird.	
	
MC:	Okay,	uhh,	what	important	activities	are	not	reflected	in	your	device?
	
ET:	Like,	activities	as	in	what	I	do?

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MC:	I	guess,	it	would	be	like,	yeah.	
	
ET:	I	don't	know.
	
MC:	If	someone	were	to	spy	on	you	from	your	laptop,	what	do	you	do	that	they	wouldn't	know		
about?
	
ET:	Everything	I	do	physically.	chuckles	Yeah,	like	working	out	and	stuff?	chuckles	I	don't	know.		
Wait,	no,	because	I	have	a	bookmark	for	workout	videos	so.	Just	kidding,	that's	not	true.	Yeah,	no	I	
don't	know	how	to	answer	that	question,	honestly.	chuckles
	
MC:	Okay,	alright,	um.	Part	3.		
	
4:46	
MC:	Look	through	your	device	to	see	what	records	you	have	of	people	you	have	been	involved	with	
in	the	last	month.	Um,	like	records	of	people	you	have	contacted	or	who	have	contacted	you,	your	
phone	records,	text	messages,	emails,	social	media	interaction,	and	video	calls.	
	
ET:	Mhm.
	
MC:	Please	provide	roles	or	relationship	names	rather	than	people's	proper	names.	
	
ET:	umm,	my	best	friend.	I'm	looking	at	FaceTime	right	now.	So	I	mean,	I	don't	really	FaceTime	
more	often	but	uhh,	it's	what	I’ve	been	using	more	recently	since	I've	been	here.	And	uhh,	my	mom,	
my	aunt,	and	my	best	friend.	That	is	all.	
	
MC:	chuckles
	
ET:	But	more	frequently,	like	yesterday,	it	says	that	I	FaceTimed	her,	my	best	friend,	and	then	a	
week	before	that	and	like	year.	
	
MC:	Where	is	your	best	friend	now?
	
ET:	New	York	City.
	
MC:	Ohh	nice.
	
ET:	She's	at	NYU.	
	
MC:	Okay,	what	apps	or	programs	do	you	use	to	communicate	with	other	people?
	
ET:	Umm,	text	messaging.	It's	nice	because	I	have	an	apple	and	an	apple.	your	text	message	go	to	

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your	computer	so	it's	like	score.	
	
MC:	Uhh,	what	patterns	do	you	notice	in	your	communication	and	the	role	your	device	plays	in	it?
	
ET:	I	noticed	that	since	I've	moved	to	college,	I	don't	text	as	much.	It's	weird	cause	it's	like,	the	
people	who	you	need	to	communicate	now	you're	just	going	to	see	them	so	like	yeah.	
	
MC:	Yeah,	yeah,	and	it's	like	wait,	I	don't	understand	this	homework	problem,	oh	i	can	just	walk	like	
30	seconds	to	get	help.	
	
ET:	Yeah,	the	only	people	I	really	do	text	is	my	mom,	my	best	friend,	and	my	roommate	if	I	get	
locked	out.	chuckles
	
MC:	Ohh,	okay.	How	often	do	you	get	locked	out?
	
ET:	I	only	got	locked	out	once,	but	like	I	would	just	be	like	can	you	do	this	and	yeah.	These	people	
cooked	in	the	kitchen	the	other	day	and	it	smelled	really	good.	
	
MC:	what	were	they	cooking?
ET:	Asian	food.	chuckles
	
MC:	How	do	you	decide	which	mode	-	oh	you	already	answer	this.	You	like	text	messages	because	
the	thing	with	apple	and	apple.	
	
ET:	Okay.
	
MC:	What	important	interactions	with	people	are	not	reflected	in	your	device?
	
ET:	Umm,	I	guess	since	we	don't	get	phone	calls	to	my	computer,	you	don't	see	that	like.	I	guess	also	
like	text	messages.	You	get	iMessages,	not	text	messages	so	like	you	wouldn't	think	I	have	a	brother,	
but	I	do.	chuckles
	
MC:	Ohhh,	he's	not	Apple?
	
ET:	Yeah,	he's	like	anti-Apple.	So,	like	I	text	him	with	my	phone,	but	not	on	my	computer.	
	
MC:	Okay,	wait	why	doesn't	get	an	Apple	to	make	everything...
	
ET:	Yeah,	I	don't	know.	
	
MC:	Does	he	have	an	apple	laptop?
	
ET:	No.
	
MC:	Oh,	okay.

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ET:	chuckles	
	
8:00	
MC:	Part	4.	Uhhh,	okay.	So,	look	through	your	device	to	see	what	records	you	went	in	the	past	
month.	Um,	for	example,	you	might	have	records	of	places	on	your	calendar,	in	a	mapping	
application	such	as	Google	Maps	in	the	location	services	data	on	your	phone,	in	location	based	
social	media	such	as	Foursquare,	or	in	self	tracking	apps	such	as	the	one	used	in	fitness.	Uhh,	what	
apps	or	programs	have	record	of	the	places	you've	visited.	
	
ET:	Uhh,	I'm	looking	at	Google	Maps	right	now	and	currently	it's	showing	like	weird	places.	Moves	
mouse	around.	Click	of	the	mousepad	sounded.	Visited.	No	places	visited.	
	
MC:	Do	you	use	the	regular	-	you	know	how	apple	has	their	own	maps?
	
ET:	Yeah.
	
MC:	Do	you	use	that?
	
ET:	Not	really	because	I	feel	like	it	doesn't	block	out	traffic	as	much.	yeah.	I	use	Waze	sometimes,	
but	I	mostly	use	Google	Maps.	But	since	on	Google	Maps,	you	can	download	maps	like,	so	you	don't	
like	use	data	or	whatever	and	as	much	battery.	moves	finger	on	mousepad	around.	I	do	have	a	map	
downloaded	of	France.	
	
MC:	Of	France?!
	
ET:	moves	finger	on	mousepad	around.	And	Rome	for	some	reason.	From	two	years	ago.	Not	sure	
why.	So	yeah.	This	is	of	Paris.	Nice.	chuckles	No,	no,	it	is	from	Marseilles	in	France.		
Image	of	a	route	in	the	city	in	purple.	
MC:	chuckles	Okay.	is	that	some	place	you	want	to	go?
	
ET:	No,	I	went	there	this	summer.	
	
MC:	Ohh	okay,	okay.	Could	you	imagine	getting	around	without	google	maps?
	
ET:	Probably	not.	pause	Probably	not.	What	else	is	there?	moves	finger	on	mousepad	around.	What	is	
this?	I	think	this	is	in	Italy	-	no	it's	in	Rome!	Cool.	Chuckles	and	moves	finger	on	mouse	pad.	And	then	
this	one	is	also	Rome.	I	don't	know	why	this	is	here,	but	I	think	my	mom	used	it.	
	
MC:	Ohh,	okay.
	
ET:	Yeah.

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MC:	She	went	to	Rome	without	you?
	
ET:	No,	she	probably	just	used	my	computer.
	
MC:	Ohh	okay.	Alright.	Do	you	use	any	apps	or	programs	to	navigate	or	discover	locations?
	
ET:	To	discover	locations?	Um.	Usually,	I	just	google	them.	like	I'll	google	like	where	to	go	in	this	
place	and	where	to	eat	donuts	near	me.	I	don't	know.	chuckles
	
MC:	Um,	do	you	have	any	apps	that	track	your	movement	or	permit	location	services	on?
	
ET:	nods	Yeah,	but	I	always	do	it	when	it's	like	'when	using'	that	app	not	always.
	
MC:	Do	you	use	any	apps	to	check	into	places?
	
ET:	No
	
MC:	Yeah,	me	too.	I	don't	use	yelp.	what	patterns	do	you	notice	from	the	places	you	visit	and	your	
movement	from	place	to	place?
	
ET:	Um,	I	realized	that	I	don't	really	go	to	places.	Just	kidding,	uh.	when	i	drive	places,	it's	usually	to	
gymnastics	or	to	Walmart	or	to	Duluth	sometimes	I	guess.	
	
MC:	How	was	Duluth?
	
ET:	It	was	nice.
	
MC:	How	long	was	the	drive	there?
	
ET:	Um,	it's	like	an	hour.
	
MC:	Okay.	What,	uh,	how	did	you	first	learn	to	navigate	new	locations?
	
ET:	um,	I	use	google	Maps	or	Waze.	even	if	you	get	lost,	like	yesterday	I	passed	the	like	exit,	you	
figure	it	out.	I	think	technology	is	really	good	now	that	it	reroutes	you	within	seconds.	
	
MC:	Oh	yeah
	
ET:	Yeah,	because	you're	like	"OH	NO"	but	it's	okay.
	
MC:	Do	you	remember	the	first	time	you	had	to	go	someplace	unfamiliar?
	
ET:	I	remember	when	I	first	started	driving,	like	it	was	like	a	real	struggle,	because	it	was	like	don't	
look	down	at	the	phone,	but	also	don't	take	your	eyes	off	like	the	road	like	yeah.	but	I've	done	a	lot	

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better	and	am	more	confident	about	driving	that	like	I	can	look	down	for	like	a	split	second	so	yeah.	
It's	a	lot	of	trouble	when	like	you	don't	know	where	you're	going	but	you're	not	confident	in	your	
driving	skills.	when	you're	alone	and	you’re	driving,	that's	a	lot.	
	
MC:	Do	you	have	GPS	turned	on?	like	the	voice	thing	ma	bob.	
	
ET:	Yeah,	but	even	then,	sometimes	I	fault	google	maps	for	telling	me	right	when	it	is.	I	feel	like	
Waze	is	better	for	that.	
	
MC:	What	important	places	or	navigational	practices	are	not	reflected	in	information	on	your	
device?
	
ET:	Um,	I	don't.	I	don't	know.	I	guess,	I'm	looking	at	my	recently	visited	places	and	places	I	look	up	
to	see	directions	and	see	how	far	it	is,	but	I	don't	actually	go	there	so	that's	yep.	chuckles	
	
13:51	
MC:	Part	5	Media.	Um,	in	this	section,	I	would	like	to	ask	you	to	look	through	your	device	at	the	
media	you've	used	during	the	past	month.	So,	like	social	media	posts,	texts,	photos,	music,	videos,	tv	
shows,	movies,	and	games	that	you	have	read,	listened	to,	watched	or	played,	or	that	you	yourself	
have	created	or	distributed.	Um,	so	based	on	what	you	see	on	your	device,	what	apps	do	you	use	
most	to	access	or	produce	media?
	
ET:	Netflix.	
	
Both:	chuckles
	
MC:	Netflix?	What	have	you	been	watching	on	Netflix?
	
ET:	Um,	I	just	finished	the	latest	season	of	the	great	British	Baking	Show.	chuckles
	
MC:	Oh	my	gosh,	me	too!
	
ET:	I	so	glad	Sophie	won	because	like	I	was	like	she	deserved	it.	cause	like	Steven	messed	up.	
	
MC:	Yeah,	I	also	feel	like	in	the	beginning,	Sophie	was	also	such	like,	she	was	just	not		
ET:	She	was	so	humble.
	
MC:	a	big	present.
	
Both:	Yeah,	yeah.	
	
ET:	And	I	was	really	happy	when	Stacy	got	out.	
	

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MC:	Stacy?	yeah.	I	was	too.	
	
ET:	She,	she's	very	...	very	like.	She	struggled	with	confidence	but	like	at	the	same	time	she	was	
trying	to	assert	herself	in	a	way	that	you're	like	"okay	I	don't	like	you."	chuckles
	
MC:	Okay,	now	that	that's	over,	what's	next	on	your	to-watch	list?
	
ET:	Uh,	my	friend	was	telling	me	to	watch	House	and	...	on	Amazon	Prime	so	I	was	watching	that	
this	morning.	
	
MC:	How	is	it	so	far?
	
ET:	pretty	good.	I	mean	I	started	watch	episodes,	but	then	I	started	watching	the	Great	British	
Baking	Show	so	now	I'm	back.	chuckles	But	yeah.	
	
MC:	Um,	do	you	prefer,	okay,	do	you	prefer	amazon	video	to	Netflix	or	is	it	the	other	way	around?
	
ET:	Nah,	I	prefer	Netflix	but	like	some	things	like	Amazon	-	it's	like	if	you	had	like	a	tier,	it	would	be	
Netflix,	Amazon	Prime.	
	
MC:	Um,	can	you	give	me	some	examples	of	some	media	that	are	especially	significant	for	you?
	
ET:	Umm,	like	new	videos?
	
MC:	I	guess	so
	
ET:	I	like	Facebook,	but	like	yeah.	I	feel	like	the	big	three	I	usually	use	are	Netflix,	Facebook,	and		
YouTube.
	
MC:	Do	you	ever	go	on	Instagram	on	your	laptop?
	
ET:	Not	really,	barely	but	when	I’m	really	bored,	I'll	do	that.	but	if	i	have	my	laptop,	I'll	just	watch		
Netflix.	
	
MC:	Um,	can	you	give	me	some	examples	of	media	you	produce	or	alter	in	some	way?
	
ET:	Um,	no.	
	
MC:	What	patterns	do	you	notice	in	your	media	use?
	
ET:	Um,	they're	all	centered	around	visuals	and	without	having	to	read	things.	chuckles	like	I	
realized	like	when	there	is	a	good	platform	that	like	you	have	to	like,	not	that	you	have	to	read	a	lot	
but	it's	just	like	I	rather	look	at	like	pictures	of	people	and	see	what	they're	doing	rather	than	like	
listen	to	them	talk	about	like	something.	
	
MC:	Yeah,	do	you	think	that's	why	twitter	is	kind	of	dying	out	a	little?

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ET:	Yeah,	I	think	there's	something	about	having	visuals	and	videos	in	front	of	you	that	like,	it's	
more	inclusive.	I	don't	know.	chuckles
	
MC:	Branching	off	that,	do	you	think	that's	why	technology	is	getting	more	popular	because	it's	like	
instead	of	writing	emails	which	is	all	words,	you	can	send	a	snap	that's	all	pictures.	
	
ET:	Yup
	
MC:	Okay,	what	patterns	do	you	notice	in	your	media	use?	so	just	lots	of	Netflix	you	said	right?
	
ET:	Yes,	just	a	lot	of	visuals	basically.	
	
MC:	Tell	me	about	your	strategy	for	storing	your	media.	
	
ET:	For	storing	media.	like	as	in	bookmarking	pages?
	
MC:	I	guess	so,	yeah.	
	
ET:	Cause	that's	all	i	do.	I	just	have	a	favorites	page	that	has	like	basically	all	the	websites	I	use,	and	
it	looks	like	apps	on	a	phone	but	it's	not.	
	
MC:	Okay,	what	are	some	ways	you	share	media	with	others?
	
ET:	Um,	i	don't	know.	I	don't	really	post	things.	I	like,	I	like	creepily	to	look	at	other	people's	things.	
but	i	don't	like	posting	things.	
	
MC:	I	went	on	your	page	and	most	of	your	posts	is	like	your	mom	or	your	dad	showing	how	they're	
so	proud	of	you.	It's	so	sweet.	
	
ET:	chuckles	I	don't	post	anything	on	Facebook	and	I	rarely	post	anything	on	Instagram,	but	like	
yeah.	I	don't	yeah,	I	don't	post	things	to,	but	it's	like	a	self-conscious	thing.	
	
MC:	I	also	feel	like	there's	so	much	pressure	to	like	to	get	a	"good"	picture.	
	
ET:	Yeah
	
MC:	Um,	tell	me	about	any	strategies	you	have	for	protecting	your	privacy	with	media	usage.	
	
ET:	Protecting	my	privacy?	Uh,	I	feel	like	macs	do	a	better	job	than	dells	at	protecting	privacy,	like	if	
you	illegally	stream	things,	it's	easier	to	do	that	on	a	mac	than	to	do	it	on	dell	because	dell	freaks	out	
if	you	do	anything	sketchy.	But	yeah.	I	don't	know.	I	don't	really.	I	just	hope	the	software	does	a	
good	job.	chuckles	I	don't	really	do	anything	to	try	to	protect	my	privacy.	
	
MC:	Um,	what	important	media	are	not	reflected	in	information	on	your	device.	So,	for	example,	

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reading	newspapers	or	magazines,	listening	to	the	radio.
	
ET:	Um,	nothing	really.	Cause	I	mean,	I	like	to	listen	to	music,	but	I	don't	really	listen	to	music	that	
often.	If	I	try	to	read	something,	like	the	other	day	when	I	was	trying	to	block	out	sound,	I	just	
played	rain	sounds.	chuckles
	
MC:	That's	so	cool.
	
ET:	Instead	of	playing	music	because	I	was	trying	to	read	a	textbook	so	yeah.	it	was	a	weird	thing.	
	
MC:	Oh	no,	no.	chuckles	It	sounds	soothing.		
	
20:10	
MC:	Okay,	last	part.	Um,	I'd	like	you	to	reflect	on	your	history	with	the	device	you	have	shared	with	
me	focusing	on	how	you	learned	to	use	them	in	a	way	that	you	currently	do.	So,	how	did	you	start	
using	digital	technologies	and	has	your	relationship	with	it	changed	over	time?
	
ET:	Yeah,	like	you	become	more	familiar	like	you	adapt	to	it,	but	I	first	learned	by	playing	computer	
games	that	my	mom	had	downloaded	and	pause	I'm	trying	to	think.	How	did	I	begin?	
	
MC:	What	kinds	of	games	did	you	play?
	
ET:	Uh,	Fischer	Price,	like	ABC	games,	and	then	like	a	baseball	game,	and	then	my	friend	-	my	nextdoor	neighbor,	she	played	Sims	but	yeah.	
	
MC:	Do	you	still	play	sims	now?
	
ET:	Not	really,	not	too	much.	But	when	they	come	out	with	new	things	and	like	they're	on	sale,	I’ll	
try	them	out	and	I'll	play	for	like,	maybe,	like	two	weeks,	like	I	don't	know,	like	play	like	one	day	or	
two	days	a	week	but	that's	really	it.	Yeah.	
	
MC:	Um,	of	the	activities	you	have	described	so	far,	which	was	the	most	complex	for	you	to	learn?
	
ET:	I	don't	any	of	them	are	really	complex.	I	think	it's	like,	the	most	complex	seems	like	
downloading	things	like	sims	or	like	other	software	you	need	to	use	like	for	homework	and	stuff	
like	that	but	otherwise	i	don't	think	it's	that	difficult	to	figure	out	how	to	use	it.	Chuckles
	
MC:	Okay,	can	you	tell	me	when	and	how	you	learned	to	complete	…
	
ET:	What?
	
MC:	Could	you	tell	me	when	and	how	you	learned	to	do	all	of	this?	I	think	you	already	talked	about	
that.	

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ET:	Just	like,	over	time,	I	think	I	hit	a	point	in	like	fifth	grade	that	like	I	got	my	first	computer	which	
was	like	a	giant	Dell	for	some	reason	because	my	mom	had	a	similar	laptop.	But	that's	when	like	I	
started	to	learn	how	to	use	the	tools	correctly.
	
MC:	What	was	the	transition	from	Dell	to	Mac	like	for	you?
	
ET:	Uhh,	pretty	easy	because	my	mom	-	well	my	brother	initially	had	a	mac	and	then	my	mom	got	a	
mac	so	then	I	was	like	"oh,	I	like	that	software"	so	yeah.	
	
MC:	Um,	can	you	tell	me	about	any	activities	you	knew	how	to	complete	with	your	device?
	
ET:	I	wish	I	knew	how	to	code.	
	
MC:	Yeah
	
ET:	chuckles
	
MC:	Why	do	you	wish	you	knew	how	to	complete	them?
	
ET:	I	feel	like	it's	really	relevant	to	anything	nowadays.
MC:	What	are	you	missing	in	order	to	learn	how	to	code?
	
ET:	Time.	chuckles	Cause	there's	this	thing	called	code	academy	where	you	can	like	learn	how	to	do	
it	and	it	literally	does	it	step	by	step	for	you	and	teaches	you.	and	like	I	was	like	"I'm	going	to	learn	
this	summer"	and	like	a	couple	of	summers	ago	and	I	just	never	did.	
	
MC:	Okay	let's	learn	it	together	over	winter	break!	
	
ET:	Okay,	yeah,	yeah,	yeah
	
MC:	So,	when	we	see	each	other	again	in	January	we	have	to	have	that	digital	certificate	or	
whatever	
	
ET:	Yeah,	yeah,	saying	we	know	how	to	code.	Chuckles
	
MC:	Okay,	alright,	so	that's	what	we	are	doing	over	winter	break.
	
ET:	Alright.
	
MC:	Uh,	do	you	feel	like	you	have		
ET:	Now	that	you	recorded	it,	we	have	to	do	it.	
	
MC:	Yeah.	
	

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Both:	chuckles
	
ET:	showing	motions	of	scrolling	on	her	mousepad.	
	
MC:	Dr.	Reid's	going	to	hear	it.	Do	you	feel	you	have	the	digital	-	is	this	Instagram?	OOoOo.	
	
ET:	Yeah.	Chuckles
	
MC:	Do	you	feel	you	have	the	digital	skills	to	operate	effectively	in	a	professional	context?
	
ET:	Yeah.	Ponders	Yeah.
	
MC:	So	aside	from	Pages,	what	else	do	you	use?
	
ET:	Well	this	summer,	I	did	stuff	at	like	NYU	hospital	for	research	and	stuff.	I	did	like	searches	on	
PubMed	so	I	feel	like	I	know	how	to	do	that	really	well	which	is	trying	to	use	google	but	more	
scholarly.	but	yeah,	that's	that.	Okay.	I	wish	I	knew	how	to	use	excel	better	though.	
	
MC:	Are	you	taking	a	class	where	you	have	to	use	it	right	now?
	
ET:	No,	I	just	wish	I	knew	how	to	use	it	better.	Chuckles
	
MC:	Um,	how	would	you	describe	someone	who	is	digitally	literate?
	
ET:	Um,	someone	who	knows	how	to	use	a	computer	well	and	chrome	well	and	knows	how	to	like	
to	interact	with	other	people	using	their	devices.
	
MC:	Would	you	consider	yourself	digitally	literate?
	
ET:	Yeah
	
MC:	Aside	from	practice	over	time,	how	do	you	think	you	became	digitally	literate?
	
ET:	Um,	I	feel	like	it's	practice	over	time	like	you	just	need	to	get	used	to	because	you're	just	using	it	
every	day.
	
MC:	And	is	there	anything	else	you	would	like	me	to	know	or	I	did	not	ask	that	i	should	have?
	
ET:	No
	
MC:	Okayy
	
Both:	chuckles

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Archive of Personal Digital History
Interview #4 - Post-1980 Birthdate
September 23, 2018
Introduction
Interviewee: This is an oral history APDH interview that is taking place on September 23, 2018
in PP’s dorm room. PP is currently a college student attending a university in Georgia. She is
going to show us how she uses her iPad Pro in her everyday life as a part of the reflection
project that we will be conducting. Originally from Ho Chi Min City, Vietnam, PP moved to the
United States when she was 8 and has lived here ever since. Her first exposure to digital
technology was when she was 8 years old, and she has been using digital technology ever
since. She was born from 1996-2000, and knows a little bit of Java Script, a coding language
used in the digital technology world.
Interviewer: JC is also a college student attending a university in Georgia, but is originally from
Los Angeles, California. Her experiences with digital technology began when she was about 5
years old, and like PP, she has been using digital technology ever since. Prior to the point in the
interview when the transcription starts, JC and PP had already gone over the informed consent
form, the background intake form, and the consent to record this interview as an audio clip.

JC: “Can you tell me why you decided to choose this device?”
PP: “The reason why I decided to choose my iPad is because I use my iPad more often than
any other device. It’s portable, and it’s also very interactive, like touch screen, I’m able to write
on it, so I don't really have to bring multiple things with me when I do stuff and I also play games
on my iPad, watch YouTube and draw on it and I feel like it’s very efficient in a portable way to
facilitate so many activities.”
JC: “To start, I’d like to ask you to look through your device and see what records you have and
see what activities you were involved in this past month. You might have records of activities
like in a calendar app, or a to do list, etc. What apps or programs do you use to coordinate or
record your activities?”
PP: “So for my iPad, I don’t really plan anything on my iPad beside from iCloud sync, which I did
not do, because I wrote stuff on my computer and most of the time when I plan thing I use my
cellphone. Even though I use my iPad more often than my cell phone it’s kind of like a reminder
and stuff like that so I don’t really use social media on my iPad and things like that but I
occasionally go onto the internet and check them but most of the time I use social media,

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calendar app on my phone however I have like a notebook on my iPad, like I use it to write
notes on and things like that.”
JC: “So based on what you see on your device, what are the main activities that you do?”
PP: “The main activities I usually go to are one YouTube, two is my drawing program, and three
is my safari, the internet, or playing my games.”
JC: “And of these activities that you use, which one do you think is the most significant to you?”
PP: “Uhhh. Out of all of these, I think the most significant for me is the internet app. It’s because
I use it for various things and I have multiple incorporations into it like you could watch videos
with it, you could of course Google up things that you don’t know and look up stuff that you need
to look up and so I would say that I use these the most on my iPad more than others.”
JC: “Oh wait sorry this isn’t on the paper, but I was just wondering if you have your laptop, I
guess what makes your iPad different than your laptop, like why don’t you use your laptop. Is
[the iPad] just more portable or easy to take around?”
PP: “Well for me, since they are about the same size, which as you can see it makes really no
difference, but for me I just like the interactive interface, like I can touch the screen, I could draw
and write on the screen as opposed to this [the laptop]. I’m not a good typer, I’m a very bad
typer so most of the time I’d rather do it on an interactive screen than typing things out.”
JC: “Ohhh that makes sense, okay. So what patterns do you notice in your activities and the
role that your device plays in them?”
PP: “A lot of the times I use my iPad as my entertainment, and sometime educational study, like
I could go onto the internet and search up something, but for references, I use it mainly for
entertainment and stuff like that.”
JC: “And what important activities are not reflected in the information on your device.”
PP: “What do you mean important information?”
JC: “So like… I guess out of the activities that you do use on your iPad is there anything you
weren’t able to discuss before or, is there anything that is more hidden that this device doesn’t
really record.”
PP: “I’d say the iPad is pretty good for giving you a well-rounded activity to do and apps so at
the moment, doesn’t spark anything that I think I hide from you aside from the fact that I use it a
lot for entertainment and playing games, drawing and all things like that it’s a stress relieving
activity.”

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JC: “Next I’d like to ask you to look through your device and see what records you have of the
people that you were involved with in the past month, for example people you might contact in
your phone number, text messages, social media, etc. and while you’re looking through them,
please provide the role that these people play in your lives instead of their actual name.”
PP: “Well um, I use my iPad to often check my email as well, and that’s something that I do, as
well as one of the other things I do is facetiming my parents, my mom, my aunt, my uncle, from
you know different countries and so from different parts and so I use that more often. For my
social media, I don’t really have a social media or text messages on my iPad, that’s more of a
phone thing where I could quickly do it instead of tying it on such a huge screen, so most of the
time for social interactions on iPad I just use email and facetime, video call.”
JC: “Cool. So, the apps and programs you usually use to communicate with other people, you
said like facetime and Skype? Did you say Skype?”
PP: “Uhh facetime and email.”
JC: “On your iPad?”
PP: “Yeah.”
JC: “Okay, cool. And are there any patterns that you notice in your communications, and the
role that your device plays into these patterns you might notice?”
PP: “Well, for my iPad, you know, all my devices, I link to notifications which is kind of like if an
app has something new on it, like it needs an update, they notify me what it is, sometimes when
I play my games, I take care of like a stimulation games, and I take care of a thing or something
like that, like ‘Oh, your food is done’ or ‘your dish is done’ and it’s the same for YouTube, when
they have a new feed on YouTube they think I might be interested in, they’ll notify me and so is
my email, when there is a new email coming up, my iPad will notify me of the new email as
well.”
JC: “So that kind of helps you really answer it quickly because then you know that they reply to
you.”
PP: “Yea yea yea, notification yea it’s also the same for my cell phone for social media.”
JC: “How do you decide which mode of communication to use over the other like do you use
different kinds of apps for different kinds of situations or different people.”
PP: “I would say yea, but I’m not much of a poster, like you see someone who would write posts
and then post it on social media and stuff, most of the time I would just go in and check it and
see what people have in store, and sometimes if there is an event that is really important to me,
or that I really had fun, I’ll occasionally post pictures of that event on social media, but most of

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the time I don’t really have a dedicated social platform to use, I would say aside from facetiming
my parents, I don’t really use text messages, I don’t really like to text people.”
JC: “Is there a reason you use facetime over emailing or calling them?”
PP: “I think it’s because when you face to face talking to people, you see clearer what the
connection is. When sometimes you write something, it’s more of a process, you want to make
your point clear, but if you talking then it’s more efficient and its faster and you’re able to see
how responsive they are, or if they care at all, and there’s more dynamic in your conversation
when you’re talking to people face to face rather than texting them, because you can’t see their
reaction.”
JC: “Right I definitely agree with that. And what important interactions are not recorded in the
information on your device?”
PP: “As I said before, like the other social media programs like Instagram and Snapchat, I have
it on my phone instead of my iPad and because my phone is smaller and much more portable, I
can just take it out of my pocket and search up stuff, whereas the iPad, it’s more of a hassle to
take it out and so there’s social media that I have on my phone instead of my iPad.”
JC: “Ok, so now I’d like to ask you to look through your device and see what records you have
of places you went during the past month. So, for example you might have records on your
calendar, or your mapping application, or in like location services, and if you’re able to find
them, what apps or programs if any have records of the places you’ve visited?”
PP: “Um, when I go places I don’t really take my iPad with me, like when I go and have fun with
my friends, of course I’m going to leave it at home because it’s quite a huge device I mainly use
my iPad when I’m at a home setting, or when I’m at a setting that is a sedentary place where I
do work or homework or just try to have entertainment, so when I go places I don’t take my iPad
with me, so records of where I go are not really available here. That’s a different story for my
phone, because my phone automatically through GPS records my travelling.”
JC: “Do you allow any apps to track your movement or permit location services on google maps
or something like that?”
PP: “Yea, um on my phone yes I allow it to track me but, on my iPad, I totally turned the tracking
location effects off.”
JC: “What do you think prompted you to make that choice?”
PP: “It’s because I don’t want to have multiple devices that have my location on, because it
could be very dangerous, you know people could just track “Oh, we found this” and it could very
dangerous for me, so I only try to have the one device to track my location so that there will not
be any dangerous situation where someone may just break in and so I only have my device

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track on my phone because I want to use the google maps, so that’s the only thing I use it for,
but otherwise I try to turn off the GPS because I don’t want people to find out where I am.”
JC: “So how did you first learn to navigate new locations.”
PP: “Well for me, basically there is an app that is already set up, which is google maps, and so
on my phone I could just like type the address on there and it automatically leads me to where it
is, so there’s not much of a process there aside from using the correct app to access location or
to show you where to go.”
JC: “And what important places or navigational practices are not reflected on your device?”
PP: “Uhh… O like I said I don’t use iPad for navigation, and so a lot of that isn’t available on my
iPad.”
JC: “Ok, cool. So, for this last section, I’d like to ask you to look through your device to see what
records you have of media you’ve used in the past month. So, for this section I’m mostly
interested in social media posts, texts, photos, tv shows and games that you might be reading
or listening to, watching or playing, or it may be something you yourself have created and
distributed, and these could be anything that you think you use on your iPad.”
PP: “Well, for my iPad, I have a lot of tabs on my chrome, on my internet app, mainly because I
use it to access like websites for reading manga, and watching anime, and also like reading
novels online, and so I do have a lot of tabs like that. As for watching various drama, so you can
see this is all my entertainment stuff, I don’t do things that are relevant to my school work really,
it’s just entertainment stuff.”
JC: “Kind of like a personal TV?”
PP: “Basically, like if I miss a show I can just get on my iPad really quick and you know, track
them. And other media that I used that I mentioned before are I like drawing on here, and so I
do also draw a lot on my iPad, I have a few arts on here which I drew using my iPad, a lot of
them are older than the others, but um recently I’ve been adding more stuff on this. I also use
this for drawings, and as you can see, there’s games scattered everywhere, now and then, but a
lot of these games I don’t really play, I just play one or two of them, but since my iPad has
storage I guess.”
JC: “That’s cool. Do you use a stylus for the drawing app?”
PP: “Yeah, I use a stylus for the drawing app. Yeah it’s attached to the case.”
JC: “So what media do you use or create the most?”

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PP: “I would say that the media I create the most on my iPad is my drawings. Aside from that, I
don’t post on social media on here, I don’t have the app on my iPad, so most of the time I will
just draw and watch TV. It’s like you said, a personal tv and a personal drawing tablet for me.”
JC: “For TV do you mostly use safari, or YouTube, or Netflix?”
PP: “I use a lot of safari as well as YouTube, it’s because I don’t have a Netflix, so I don’t use
Netflix, but a lot of times I could just find what I want to watch on websites that support safari.”
JC: “And why do you prefer one app or program over another?”
PP: “It depends on my mood, and on what I want to do that day, really. Sometimes I don’t feel
tired, maybe I’ll just watch something really quick and you know, go to sleep or do something
else. Or maybe one day I’m like ‘ooh, I feel like I want to do this, so let me watch something on
this’, you know it really depends on my mood and I can’t say that my mood is stable, from time
to time, and so yea, it really depends.”
JC: “So can you give me some examples of media that are especially significant for you?”
PP: “Yeah, I would say that the most meaningful to me is my drawing programs, because I
spend a lot of effort on every single art, so if you delete them, that’s like at least 10 hours that I
spent on art drawing and so I would say that I would not want my iPad to be stolen or anything
like that because all my drawings are on there and it would be detrimental for me since I cannot
back it up, so it would be very sad.”
JC: “Do you like drawing? Is it your hobby?”
PP: “Yea, I love drawing. Drawing is like my hobby, and um actually the main reason why I got
my stylus and my iPad is for drawing. Yea, it’s because I have trouble drawing using like a
separate tablet and then a tablet to attach it to a desktop or computer, and so it’s because I feel
like it would be nicer if you could actually do it kind of like you’re drawing on a piece of paper,
and the iPad with its interactive screen allows me to do that, and so it’s similar to the traditional
drawing techniques and so I prefer it and so that’s why I bought my iPad, for my love for
drawing, pretty much.”
JC: “Ooo I see. So what patterns do you notice in your media use?”
PP: “The patterns is that I guess there’s just for entertainment only, so there doesn't’ really like
anything that the main thing that I pretty much do on my iPad is just for entertainment, like
watching TV, watching clips, drawing or playing games and that’s it. I don't’ really use it for any
other stuff aside from entertainment.”
JC: “What are some ways that you share media with others?”

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PP: “I share it through pretty much the share button (laughs) and things you know like
sometimes when I draw art, I will share it through emails, export it as a JPG or PNG, share it
through email, and that’s pretty much it, I don’t really share any other things aside from that.”
JC: “And can you tell me any strategies you may have for protecting your privacy with your
media usage?”
PP: “As I told you, I turn off my location device and you know when I’m using so that my location
will not be exposed and sometimes I also use VPN as well to protect my privacy and get me
anonymity. As well as I use passcode lock on my iPad like fingerprint and passcode to ensure
that an unidentifiable person and walks in and took my iPad won’t use my information. Plus, I
don’t have any important information on my iPad so like all the accounts that I have, there’s no
such things that any of the banking accounts related to me on this iPad, so I don't use it for that
so most of the time it’s just for entertainment and nothing else.”
JC: “Okay, and are there any other media in your life that aren’t reflected in the device?”
PP: “Umm. Yea, I like to go to the movies and you know when I play video games, sometimes I
don’t play it on my iPad I play it on y console like the 3DS or PS4 and so that wasn’t on my iPad
and you know I love to go to the movie theater to watch the latest movies, and of course my
iPad won’t have the newest thing on there, and for newspaper and magazines, that’s something
I read on my phone, like I go on fox news pages and read it there, but I don’t really read it on my
iPad, as I’ve been reiterating many times, I only use my iPad for entertainment.”
JC: “And in this final section, I’d like you to reflect the history on your device and the apps
you’ve shared with me, focusing on how you’ve learned to use your device and the apps that
you use in the way that you currently do. So, one question I have to start off is how did you start
using digital technologies and how do you think your relationship with it has changed over
time?”
PP: “Ok, so this brings back to a long time ago. I did not have access to digital devices in my
childhood until the age 8, that was when I immigrated to America, and I left my country of
Vietnam, which is a developing country, and so when I get over here, technology is more
prominent that it is in Vietnam. And even in school system, I’d say that the first exposure that I
got to digital technology was pretty much through education, and you know how teachers use
computers already, and projectors, and various digital technologies to teach students, and so
building off that experience, I also when I first came here, I also had a desktop at home, and so
a lot of my experiences are really through that desktop, and I didn’t really start to learn how to
use it until I was eight or nine or so, but most of the time I would just use it to play games,
browsing, you know what kids like to do when I was young. And it's not until like in the 2010 or
2012 that I got my first iPad, which was an iPad 3, and I kept my iPad3 for a long time, about 4
or 5 years until I updated and got an iPad Pro, and so yea I got this one recently, but then my
experience of using the iPad came from the iPad 3 but the interface are really similar, there’s
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similarities like your phone, your laptop, they all have symbols which allow you to recognize
what it is, and pretty much they have text like descriptions of how to use it, like when you start
an app, when you don’t know how to use it, there’s usually a tutorial teaching you how to use it.
And some of it is pretty much what people call common sense, like if you grow up with it, you’re
going to know how to do it without much hassle, and so even though I wasn’t exposed much to
technology in Vietnam, but it’s because I came here when I was still a young child, so
technology wasn’t such a wide gap for me to fill in.”
JC: “And of the activities that you’ve described so far, what do you think was the most complex
for you to learn?”
PP: “I would say my drawing programs. That’s totally another world.”
JC: “What do you think made it so complex?”
PP: “I think that the complexity came from the user and not the program itself. The program is
fairly simple. If you want to draw something, there are a different assortment of brushes. You
may not understand the terminology, but let’s just imagine that you use pencils, brushes,
watercolor brush, this kind of brush and that for traditional, so on the drawing program, it’s the
same, they also have brush, but it’s kind of like an intangible aspect because you’re using your
stylus for everything, and so I have to really learn how to use and how to apply the correct
techniques, and I think that it’s a really complex thing, not because of the program is complex,
it’s because of how to use it and how to apply it is complex.”
JC: “So what kind of context do you use this activity for, is it professional or academic, etc.?”
PP: “I would say like for all of them, you know, if I want to build a professional portfolio I would
do it, as well using a program to build a professional art portfolio, I could just draw it because it’s
a hobby of mine and it’s fun, and of course it could be academic, because you know if you take
an art class and your main media is digital illustration, then yea that could be your academic
piece.”
JC: “So it’s kind of like you could use it for anything, really.”
PP: “Yeah.”
JC: “Okay, and can you tell me about when and how you learned to complete these complex
activities?”
PP: “This took me a year or so to learn how to actually draw digitally, I’d say if I were to transfer
my skills from this device to another one, it’s umm would be somewhat of a change, but I still
retain that knowledge you know, like for me how I learned this was mostly through experience,
like the more you use it the more you get used to it, and the more you get used to it, the better
you get every time.”

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JC: “And do you think like transitioning from drawing on your iPad Pro to drawing on paper, is it
different or is it very similar?”
PP: “I feel like it is very similar, but there are resources that cannot be replaced. Like on the
iPad Pro, you could easily have colors applied just at the click of your fingertip, but when you’re
drawing on a piece of paper, you have to have your resources available to you, like oh, you
have to buy color pencils, or you have to buy watercolor, and you have to use this brush, dip it
to this color palette, you know there’s more of a process if you use it that way.”
JC: “And can you tell me about any activities you wish you knew how to complete with your
device?”
PP: “Hmm… Right now, I don’t really have an activity that I’m really bad at that I need to learn to
do better, I’d say I’m always striving to improve myself in the digital illustration, and that’s like
the main thing, but aside from that, the activities are pretty simple and it doesn't pose problems
to me, I can just navigate it out.”
JC: “Do you think that drawing is always going to be a personal thing like a hobby you have, or
do you think that you could see yourself possibly doing art professionally in the future?”
PP: “Yeah, I definitely could see myself doing art, but as a side or a minor, it’s because for me,
I’m a slow artist, it takes me forever to think about an idea to come up with and actually apply it,
and so for me, it’s not going to be my main profession, but it will be something that I do for a
lifelong time. As a hobby, or anything that I want, of course my mind is subject to change, and
so having a hobby really for now, for me, I guess it’s just a hobby.”
JC: “What do you think you could improve on in art and digital design?”
PP: “I think there are a variance of things. Like, since digital perspective is intangible, it’s not
something you can touch really, so there is that barrier, and because of that, you need to be
really good at manipulating and maneuvering your programs really. For me, I’m still pretty new
at photoshop, and there's features on the photoshop program that I struggle to understand, like
why is like this, why is it like that, so for me I would wish to learn more about the program itself,
and how to use them because computer software and programs can be very complex and
complicated, and unless you practice it or have a niche in it, then you don’t really understand
the use of it.”
JC: “Right. Do you think that one of the reasons is because you don’t really use photoshop, so
you don’t really feel the need to learn it as much, or what do you think?”
PP: “I would say it’s because I’m fairly new as a digital artist at digital design, I only have about
a year of experience, and so there’s still much time for me to figure out how to use the
programs. I would say that using the device itself isn’t complex, it’s the programs that really

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pose a problem because different types of programs have different features and that’s really
what makes it tiresome to learn.”
JC: “And do you feel that you have the digital skills to operate effectively in a professional
context?”
PP: “Yes.”
JC: “How so, can you tell me about how you’re gauging that?”
PP: “It’s because as a student in the contemporary world, everything is facilitated through digital
technology. Like, when teachers tell you to write an essay, unless it’s an essay in class, you
really going to type it on the computer and revise it from there, rather than writing it handwritten
and you know when you handwrite things it could get messy, and sometimes teachers cannot
read your handwriting, and there are many factors that associate with that. And so, you know in
educational system nowadays, the implementation of digital technology is so prominent, that of
course the student has to learn how to use it. And even so, when you go to the workforces, it’s
also the same concept. People teach you how to use certain programs to complete certain
tasks, and so as long as you have the basic understanding of what technology is and how to
use technology, how to at least type on a computer, I think you could really thrive.”
JC: “What about in your personal context?”
PP: “For my own personal use, I would say yes, I do have enough knowledge about how to use
this. There are times when I still need to learn a bit longer, but that’s for something new that I
haven’t tried before.”
JC: “What about in a civic or public context?”
PP: “Um In a civic or a public context, it’s like social media, really, aside from watching the
news, reading the news, listening to the radio and posting on social media, I don’t really see that
I have trouble with those kinds of things because it’s very common nowadays, it’s very
straightforward”
JC: “And how would you describe someone who is digital literacy?”
PP: “I would say someone who is digitally literate is someone who knows how to navigate
through the digital technology interface.”
JC: “And would you consider yourself digitally literate?”
PP: “Yes I could do a lot of things and there’s different types of literacy really, but I could
navigate through my own device without asking people 'Oh my gosh' help me how do you do
this I can at least follow the instructions.”

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JC: “Mhmm, and how do you think you learned to be digitally literate?”
PP: “Um it’s just using it over and over again and getting the experience. At first, you’re like ‘oh
my gosh, typing is so hard’, but after you type for a while, you start to pick it up, like your brain
has muscle memories and is able to recognize it, and so just using it over and over again, you
know, keeping on being exposed to it, you pretty much could learn it without any problems.”
JC: “Is there anything else that you would like me to know, or is there anything that I did not ask
and should have asked?”

PP: “At this rate, I don’t think so.”
JC: “Ok, cool thank you!”

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